Horrible QQ laydown on 3 to a straight Turn?

[jediael]

BB is a TAG, CO is a very bad calling station

If was trying to be paying off less against turn raises, but I think I picked an aweful spot to do so:

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (8.33 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: (6.16 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero folds, CO folds.

Final Pot: 10.16 BB

[Pokey]

Agreed; this is NOT the time to fold.

There are only three possible straights here:

76
J7
QJ

A TAG knows better than to play a 76 or J7 against a preflop raise, and a QJ is far less likely than usual, given that you've got two of the queens. Worst-case scenario, you're facing a set, at which point you've still got six draws to a winner with 10:1 pot odds. Call down unless you hit the river, at which point you should lead it.

[chief444]

I don't like the laydown.

[27offsooot]

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A TAG knows better than to play a 76 or J7 against a preflop raise

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You wouldn't play 67s getting over 7:1 here? I guess I'm not a TAG then, but I'm not really loose, so maybe i just suck. Anyway, i think that this is a bad fold. You have a 6 outer vs. a set, and 6 more outs against 910/810 or another two pair. And he could be getting out of line with A10.

[billyjex]

worst
fold
ever

[DMBFan23]

hands BB could have, followed by your outs versus each:

22 - 3 combos, 6 outs
TT - 3 combos, 6 outs
88 - 3 combos, 6 outs

T9s - 2 combos left, 12 outs
T8s - 2 combos left, 12 outs
89s - 3 combos left, 12 outs
76s - 4 combos, 4 outs
QJo - 8 combos, 1.5 weighted outs (drawing to a chop)
QJs - 2 combos, 1.5 weighted outs

J7s with a discount factor for likelihood being lower
99 with a similar discount factor

it looks close, any chance you're ever ahead here?

[Absolute]

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I don't like the laydown.

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[JaysonWeberFCP]

Rather than just saying... Bad Fold, which I think it is considering the Pre-Flop action - He only called. So a TAG in that Spot doesn't have AA or KK, If he hit his trips... Pay him down in this spot, You can't guarantee he did. If he's a Real TAG he probobly re-raises with 10's under as well, so that leads to..

What did you put him on?

[DMBFan23]

ok I did the math wrong, if you consider that he's not as likely to have QJo here then it's a SUPER easy call

[jediael]

Alright, I did some Pokerstove with various hand ranges and it comes down to this: if he is not capable to make this raise with at least AT or weaker I do not have equity to call him down, although it is very close. So against a loose passive player this might be a fold, I definately agree that versus a TAG this is a calldown.