You are full of it, I call.

ZebraAss · #1 05-08-2005, 02:03 AM

50/5 tournament w/ no reads.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t860)
MP1 (t915)
Hero (t975)
MP3 (t2375)
CO (t1030)
Button (t975)
SB (t965)
BB (t740)
UTG (t1165)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t15, UTG+1 raises to t65, 1 fold, Hero calls t65, 5 folds, UTG calls t50.

Flop: (t217.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets t75, UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to t225, Hero calls t150.

Turn: (t667.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 is all in. Hero calls t570.

River: (t1237.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t1237.50

Things i considered,

-Small raise pre-flop
-Why he checked the flop
-Why he check-raised the flop
-Why he check-raised to that amount
-Why he pushed the turn.
-Why I thought he was full of [censored].

Corrections in my assumptions? Thoughts? Critiques? Bad play all together?

Thanks

Seadood228 · #2 05-08-2005, 02:32 AM

A lot of good players will raise preflop and checkraise out of position with a monster hand. A big overpair, JJ, or a complete bluff look like your opponents possible holdings.

By calling his c/r on the flop, you are telling your opponent that you like your hand, for him to still move in on the turn would lead me to believe that you are beat.

I think it's way too early in the tournament to be playing bluff police.

ZebraAss · #3 05-08-2005, 02:43 AM

Why would he check on the flop though. To me it was a very suspicious check raise. Maybe he raised because the other player in the hand folded. He also raised EXTREMELY fast, so that was probably why I was so suspicious

suited_ace · #4 05-08-2005, 02:45 AM

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He also raised EXTREMELY fast, so that was probably why I was also suspicious

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Flush draw?

ZebraAss · #5 05-08-2005, 02:49 AM

very possible, but the Turn card most likely didnt propel him to push the turn.

Seadood228 · #6 05-08-2005, 02:56 AM

If he's on a flush draw he's probably got a BD straight with 2 live overs as well, making you a slight dog.

I think that's the best case scenario most of the time.. Not all, but quite often. After he pushes on the turn JJ seems like less of a possibility though..

And his raise is not that large, it's less than the size of the pot.

ZebraAss · #7 05-08-2005, 03:00 AM

Yea, I have seen a lot of people Check raise the flop and push the turn. He set himself up with a good place for a huge turn bluff, he just ran into someone who didnt believe him.

tjh · #8 05-08-2005, 03:10 AM

I stay out of check-raisers way.

I would fold to his check raise.

Was he bluffing ??

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tjh

ZebraAss · #9 05-08-2005, 03:17 AM

It might be a leak of mine, but I dont like to let people get away with stuff against me. If I thought he had ANYTHING I would have folded.

PS: Was he bluffing isnt the point of the post.

suited_ace · #10 05-08-2005, 03:29 AM

I think I'd put Villain on AK[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. He raises PF, flop gives him a 4-flush with 2 live overcards. You bet small on a 2-flush board against 2 players and he has 15 outs. It looks like the perfect flop for a semi-bluff.

You just call his raise, which could make him think your hand need improvement and you're waiting for a card. After the board pairs and gives a 2nd 2-flush, a guy holding AK[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is very likely to push it here.