AKo unimproved at a very loose table

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Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls $1.35 (All-In), UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (19.20 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (11.60 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero...?

Worth drawing the river?

[xenthebrain]

pot is too big to fold for one bet.
Even if you count your overs just as half an out each you still get the 1:14.3 needed on your call

[RandBriscoe]

Am I missing something? Getting 14.6:1 on one full out isn't sufficient. If we give ourselves 1.5 outs for each overcard we are getting just enough. But I think that'd be a bit generous.

[martinimagic]

Call, safe to fold river if UI. I am guessing UTG+1 is holding a Q.

Reads here would be key. Playing these very aggressive has helped me immensely. The pot is already big. I am raising flop to give big PP perception. Probably going to bet/raise turn. Check/fold river if UI.

[@bsolute_luck]

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Call, safe to fold river if UI. I am guessing UTG+1 is holding a Q.

Reads here would be key. Playing these very aggressive has helped me immensely. The pot is already big. I am raising flop to give big PP perception. Probably going to bet/raise turn. Check/fold river if UI.

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why would you do all this? you have no draws, and if an A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] comes, you could be in a world of confusion. with the pot that big, i don't think we're helping our situation by doing all this betting.

i do think the turn is an easy call, especially since it is a blank. the hard part will come on the river if the A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] comes. if UTG bets again, does he have 2 pair? and then reraised by someone in the middle, does he have the flush or just overaggressive with an Ace? i figure we got 4 pretty solid outs, but i would fold if the river gets really aggressive if either [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] overcard falls.

[droolie]

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Worth drawing the river?

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I will kick your ass if you folded this.

[martinimagic]

I guess this is why I am still learning. My problem is I want more info about UTG+1's hand or do we want to just call down here? I feel I am giving away a lot of info on my hand with the flop call. I used to tend to err passively, but I have found aggression is a better err in this situation especially when the pot is getting big.

[reubenf]

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Am I missing something? Getting 14.6:1 on one full out isn't sufficient. If we give ourselves 1.5 outs for each overcard we are getting just enough. But I think that'd be a bit generous.

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I think when he says he gives the overs half an out each, he means half an out for each A,K remaining in the deck. So 1.5 outs for each overcard you hold.

[xenthebrain]

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Am I missing something? Getting 14.6:1 on one full out isn't sufficient. If we give ourselves 1.5 outs for each overcard we are getting just enough. But I think that'd be a bit generous.

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I think when he says he gives the overs half an out each, he means half an out for each A,K remaining in the deck. So 1.5 outs for each overcard you hold.

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Yep, you solved this mystery [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[MechanoMan]

I can't lay this down; the pot is too large. I call the turn, and fold the river unimproved.

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