A7s and an ace hits the flop...

KSOT · #1 05-07-2005, 06:47 AM

SB is very aggressive.

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls, Hero calls, 2 folds, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB bets, BB folds, UTG calls, MP1 raises, Hero...?

What's your move there?

xenthebrain · #2 05-07-2005, 07:44 AM

I think you can fold here.

There is no flushdraw available and only some gutshots to the A-high straight.

It is very likely that you have kickerproblems here.

The pot is still kinda small (unraised preflop), so fold

toss · #3 05-07-2005, 08:02 AM

I wouldn't continue unless I also had a read on MP1.

ajrenni · #4 05-07-2005, 08:33 AM

If you have SSH, this is very similar to the first question on the flop play quizzes. So for the same reasons, I recommend folding. Basically, if you are behind, you are drawing virtually dead. If you are dominated, another Ace is just going to dig you deeper, and while a 7 might improve you to the best hand on the turn, the river could counterfeit your two-pair, and a 7 could also give someone a flush draw. MP1's raise is more of a concern than SB, since he can't be pumping a flush draw or OESD, so it seems likely he has hit something.

If you are ahead, the 3 opponents already in the flop probably have a combined 10+ outs against you (a K, Q, J, or T will probably complete a two-pair, trip kings, or a gutshot), so you will have to do some dodging for this hand to hold up.

The pot is giving you only 4.5:1, you don't close the action, you could very well be behind now, and if not, your hand is very vulnerable, so it all adds up to a fold.

@bsolute_luck · #5 05-07-2005, 08:58 AM

whew, w/o reads it is tough, but pot is small enough i would fold for 2. if you're outkicked you're drawing to ~4.5outs (3 remaining 7s and 1.5 BDFD) and that is pretty slim for this pot.

RandBriscoe · #6 05-07-2005, 09:09 AM

This is an easy fold for me. Pot is small. Likely outkicked. It's even more painful if "very aggressive" SB 3-bets and it comes back to Hero capped the second time. If we're up against a set already, we're in horrific shape.

Just to make sure I'm not an idiot in a more straight-forward situation...

What if everyone checks to MP1 who bets?

@bsolute_luck · #7 05-07-2005, 09:21 AM

probably reraise to get HU [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Ivanapolis · #8 05-07-2005, 10:14 AM

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SB is very aggressive.

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Difficult to play. Either 3-bet or fold. Calling is certainly wrong. If you play it, you must get the initiative (can be expensive here). I would probably fold.

FishHooks · #9 05-07-2005, 11:47 AM

Yea reraise to get heads up from someone that you may be drawing dead to, or at most 3 outs. Fold in this small pot, plus you could get sandwiched, and the original better could reraise.

NateDog · #10 05-07-2005, 12:13 PM

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Yea reraise to get heads up from someone that you may be drawing dead to, or at most 3 outs. Fold in this small pot, plus you could get sandwiched, and the original better could reraise.

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I think this is wrong. If you think you are always 'drawing dead' with TPWK, you are leaving lots of $ on the table.