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Old 05-05-2005, 10:53 PM
badbill7 badbill7 is offline
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Default should i have raised this pre and is my flop cold call wrong




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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (7 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG+2 folds.

Turn: (8 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero folds, MP1 calls, CO calls.

River: (14 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Final Pot: 23 BB
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Old 05-05-2005, 10:56 PM
istewart istewart is offline
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Default Re: should i have raised this pre and is my flop cold call wrong

Yes, raise preflop.
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Old 05-05-2005, 10:59 PM
davelin davelin is offline
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Default Re: should i have raised this pre and is my flop cold call wrong

Yes and no. I'd call the turn too.
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Old 05-05-2005, 11:01 PM
istewart istewart is offline
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Default Re: should i have raised this pre and is my flop cold call wrong

I would call the turn too, but I think it is pretty close, especially not closing the action.
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Old 05-05-2005, 11:10 PM
NateDog NateDog is offline
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Default Re: should i have raised this pre and is my flop cold call wrong

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I would call the turn too, but I think it is pretty close, especially not closing the action.

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If he had raised PF it wouldn't have been so close.
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Old 05-05-2005, 11:28 PM
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Default Re: should i have raised this pre and is my flop cold call wrong

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I'd call the turn too.

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I'm not seeing it. I fold that turn in a heartbeat.

EDIT: WOW I SUCK AT READING HANDS. Nevermind...
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Old 05-05-2005, 11:35 PM
Ginso Ginso is offline
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Default Re: should i have raised this pre and is my flop cold call wrong

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you should have raised pre-flop, although i admit this is a raise i'm working on myself - for some reason i have a hard time doing it with AQo, no matter the position. but i'm trying to.

i would have played the rest the same.
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Old 05-06-2005, 12:26 AM
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Default Re: should i have raised this pre and is my flop cold call wrong

Definitely raise pre-flop. With a double gutshot and overcards (admittedly dirty) don't we have an equity edge on the flop? I'd raise this flop and call the turn.
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Old 05-06-2005, 01:01 AM
Noobee Noobee is offline
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Default Re: should i have raised this pre and is my flop cold call wrong

If I'm learning properly from Ed Millers books, you should raise AQo preflop in an unraised pot because it has a pot equity advantage and when you raise preflop with a pot equity advantage your making money. Outcome of the hand is irrelevent.
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Old 05-06-2005, 02:08 AM
Goodnews Goodnews is offline
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Default Re: should i have raised this pre and is my flop cold call wrong

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Definite preflop raise. Then bet out the flop.

Given the way its played, I would call, I give you 8.5 outs for two overcards (1.5 outs each), a bdfd (1.5 outs), gutshot draw (4 outs), 6.5:1 on a 3:1 draw, folding turn UI.
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