Nut flush on turn

regular · #1 05-05-2005, 02:41 PM

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, Button raises, 1 fold, BB calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, MP1 calls, Hero raises, Button calls, BB 3-bets, MP1 calls, Hero caps, Button folds, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (11.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, MP1 calls, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (20.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 23.25 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has 6h 6s (full house, sixes full of fives).
MP1 has 8c Kc (flush, king high).
Hero has 4c Ac (flush, ace high).
Outcome: BB wins 23.25 BB. 

BB was a TAG over 200 hands. When BB reraised me on the flop, and turn- I wasn't too sure what to do.

J.Copperthite · #2 05-05-2005, 02:49 PM

If your read on the BB was TAG, you have to put him on a set or two pair (but even two pair is a tough hand to put him on given that board) on that flop. If he's TAG no way he's calling a preflop raise with 4-7 or 2-4. Your flop raise was a great raise - you have plenty of outs and 3 more if your ace is good (though the Button folding tells me he had AK or equivalent, but folded to the apparent action on the flop that he was drawing dead). MP1 calling tells me he has a straight or flush draw. I think when the BB three-bets the hand, you should just call - your free card play was caught. The turn card was not good for your hand, but you still have a 2 out redraw. Plus, its very hard to get rid of the nut flush. With this in mind, you should call the turn and river. MP1 sensed his flush was in trouble as well, which is why he called the hand only. You'd have saved 2.5 bets this way, despite you having the nut flush.

27offsooot · #3 05-05-2005, 02:51 PM

Jeez Louise

Making my way to Carpal Tunnel...

meep_42 · #4 05-05-2005, 03:16 PM

Running this through twodimes, and it looks like there's a good value cap here, even giving BB the set and running a bunch of hands for MP1. Folding out the button's overs also buys us ace outs if BB is on an overpair like 77.

Hero has two very strong draws here and is only a 6:4 dog against a set heads-up -- he's a favorite over any overpair or dead even against two-pair hands here, too.

This cap is for value against all but the most passive players.

-d

Pokey · #5 05-05-2005, 04:25 PM

I think you played this just right. On the flop, you have outs all over creation: nut flush draw (with stopper for the straight flush), inside straight draw, and three aces for top pair. You've got three opponents and far more than 25% pot equity; stuffing this pot makes perfect sense.

The turn card is tragic: it makes your hand and makes someone else a better one. You can't know this in advance, though, and there's no profit in running from monsters under the bed. You were right to raise, and you were right to slow down when BB splashes the pot for a fourth time.

The river call is crying, but correct.

These things happen, but you played it perfectly against a TAG. Unless BB was really, Really, REALLY passive, there isn't a fold to be found here. Sometimes, that happens. It's just poker.