77 against a PFR

private joker · #1 05-05-2005, 01:51 AM

Sorry no reads. Just another way in which I suck.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero calls, MP1 raises, 5 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.33 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, MP1 raises, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero 3-bets, MP1 calls.

Turn: (7.16 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls.

River: (9.16 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 11.16 BB

PokerSparky · #2 05-05-2005, 01:56 AM

Without a read, I play it the same. I'm pretty sure I suck more than you though.

mr pink · #3 05-05-2005, 02:08 AM

i don't see any other way to play it without a read.

what was your plan for either the turn/river if raised.

if you lost this, i think you got off cheap on the river.

private joker · #4 05-05-2005, 02:10 AM

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i don't see any other way to play it without a read.

what was your plan for either the turn/river if raised.

if you lost this, i think you got off cheap on the river.

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I was going to fold to a raise on the turn or river. Yeah, I have an overpair, but it's a weak overpair, and I don't think AK bluff-raises this turn or river very often.

beachbum · #5 05-05-2005, 02:12 AM

I like the way you played it. Betting the flop allowed him to protect your hand for you.

mr pink · #6 05-05-2005, 02:15 AM

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I was going to fold to a raise on the turn or river.

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pretty much what I was thinking. i think with a read on the guy as passive you can call the flop raise and check/fold the turn UI.

private joker · #7 05-05-2005, 02:35 PM

So nobody thinks I overplayed this? What hands is he raising PF with and calling the turn and river? Doubtful he'd call with ace-high here (AK, AQ), and if he has a pair it's likely to be better than 77. Right? Aren't I better off check-calling the river to induce a bluff from AK? Because I don't see him calling this river with a worse hand -- if so, what hands are you guys putting him on that we want him to call the river with? (After I 3-bet the flop, there's no way he'll think AK is good).

ghostwriter · #8 05-05-2005, 02:37 PM

I think I would check the river for the reasons you said. I can't seem him calling without a pair and if he has one it's bigger than yours.

krishanleong · #9 05-05-2005, 02:39 PM

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Aren't I better off check-calling the river to induce a bluff from AK? Because I don't see him calling this river with a worse hand

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No, he won't bluff AK. He'll call with AK.

Krishan

W. Deranged · #10 05-05-2005, 02:45 PM

I tend to disagree with this line of reasoning. I think it is quite reasonable to expect that AK or AQ is going to call a bet here but almost certainly will not bet the river. So I don't like the argument that a check on the river is better to induce a bluff. I also don't particularly like the argument that a pair is the only thing that's calling and/or that my opponent most likely has a pair.

I bet out here on the river. I also think very seriously before folding to a raise, also. A river raise here makes very little sense with any of the hands my opponent could have (would he really play something like 10 10-KK like that... maybe AA, but that's about it). So I think a river raise will be a bluff often enough that calling is necessary.