turn bet?

brettbrettr · #1 05-01-2005, 11:34 PM

quick question, you guys betting this turn?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP2 posts a blind of $3.
1 fold, Hero raises, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, 4 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (11 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, BB folds, Hero raises, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, SB calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks,

New001 · #2 05-01-2005, 11:35 PM

I am and taking a free showdown if offered.

chesspain · #3 05-02-2005, 12:13 AM

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Why do you want a free showdown? With this board and the fact that two players coldcalled preflop, do you really think AK unimproved is going to win this hand?

New001 · #4 05-02-2005, 12:15 AM

I've seen far, far stranger things even just today.

27offsooot · #5 05-01-2005, 11:39 PM

I check it. You're seeing a river regardless and I would rather pay fewer bets to do so. You don't have enough equity for it to be for value as well.

Edit - I forgot to add some outs in there. Like ColdCash said, it could be for value here if at least 2 call

brettbrettr · #6 05-01-2005, 11:50 PM

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You don't have enough equity for it to be for value as well.

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I don't? Even eliminating my overs as dirty I've got the clubs and 4 tens. 13 outs, 2.5:1, 4 way pot, bet, no?

chesspain · #7 05-01-2005, 11:54 PM

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You don't have enough equity for it to be for value as well.

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I don't? Even eliminating my overs as dirty I've got the clubs and 4 tens. 13 outs, 2.5:1, 4 way pot, bet, no?

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1)You don't know how many players are going to call a bet.
2)It would suck to get raised, which is a distinct possibility with so many cards in the playing zone.

New001 · #8 05-02-2005, 12:10 AM

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It would suck to get raised, which is a distinct possibility with so many cards in the playing zone.

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You have 12 outs to the nuts, and two overcards which may or may not be good. You obviously don't want to get raised, but I don't think it's so bad, especially if other people come along.

wrto4556 · #9 05-02-2005, 12:16 AM

I was under the impression that you would bet the turn if:

1) It's for value
2) It has fold equity
or
3) You have a chance to win UI.

I don't think any of these are the case. #1 is the only debatable one but at the risk of being raised I don't like it.

I could be blowing smoke.

27offsooot · #10 05-01-2005, 11:55 PM

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You don't have enough equity for it to be for value as well.

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I don't? Even eliminating my overs as dirty I've got the clubs and 4 tens. 13 outs, 2.5:1, 4 way pot, bet, no?

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yeah, i can't add, after reading CC's post, i edited my own. Go ahead and bet it b/c u have some folding equity against a jack or something and if someone else is drawing you could take it down even if one or two others call UI.