Is this fold correct?

Mizzles · #1 05-01-2005, 02:36 AM

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, BB folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, MP2 raises, Hero folds, SB folds.

Final Pot: 7 BB

stonecoldnuts · #2 05-01-2005, 03:11 AM

You have 8 clean outs to the nuts and 1 more if no one has a set. If you called the flop to pick up the draw, why fold the turn when you get there.

Jdanz · #3 05-01-2005, 03:51 AM

raise the flop, no raise preflop + nut middle pair, plus backdoor draw + button gives you pretty good reason to put some more money in the pot. If it comes one back to you easy call fold unimproved, if comes two back easy fold.

Call call and i bet the turn most of the time, but since it's not a blank turn i'd just call as i've got the direct pot odds, possibly another call (which actually is a fold) an a pretty much gaurenteed minimum of another BB on the river if i hit.

philnewall · #4 05-01-2005, 06:27 AM

Your effective odds on the turn are 4-1 assuming it isn't raised again. Add in the fact that SB may call along, and your huge implied odds on the river, plus the fact your drawing to the nuts this is an easy call.

Chris Daddy Cool · #5 05-01-2005, 06:56 AM

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raise the flop

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i dont agree with raising the flop at all

Chris Daddy Cool · #6 05-01-2005, 06:58 AM

this fold is poopoo.

Mizzles · #7 05-01-2005, 07:03 AM

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assuming it isn't raised again

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This is not an easy assumption to make. With implied odds, it's a close call IF ITS NOT RAISED AGAIN.

philnewall · #8 05-01-2005, 08:18 AM

You have a point there, it looks like at least 1 maybe both of them has a ten and you might get jammed in for 4 bets on the turn. However, if they both do have a ten then you're going to get paid off in a big way when you river you flush, you'll probably make at least 2 big bets from each of them.

Jdanz · #9 05-01-2005, 08:38 AM

ok, i'm really not the best poker player in the world, but i did give my reasoning, and it'd be very helpful to me if you gave yours.

Gabe · #10 05-01-2005, 01:11 PM

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You have a point there, it looks like at least 1 maybe both of them has a ten and you might get jammed in for 4 bets on the turn. However, if they both do have a ten then you're going to get paid off in a big way when you river you flush, you'll probably make at least 2 big bets from each of them.

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So you're saying that getting 2 big bets from each of them, on the river, will make up for getting capped on the turn?