KK Against a TAG

sthief09 · #1 04-26-2005, 06:21 PM

Button is a multitabling TAG. I'd be pretty surprised if he wasn't a 2p2er

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 2 folds, Button 3-bets, 1 fold, BB calls, Hero caps, Button calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12.40 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button raises, BB calls $7 (All-In), Hero 3-bets, Button caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (10.90 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, Hero folds

afk · #2 04-26-2005, 06:30 PM

That's a tough lay down that I couldn't make. I would have called down the turn 3bet and probably been shown AA or 99.

sthief09 · #3 04-26-2005, 06:32 PM

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That's a tough lay down that I couldn't make. I would have called down the turn 3bet and probably been shown AA or 99.

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pretty much the only thing I like about playing TAGs is you can assume they're same. if he has QQ, he's going to want to get to showdown against me. an idiot might think "holy [censored] i have queens, no way im losing this" and 3-bet, but I can trust a TAG to properly assess that (1) he's probably not ahead, and (2) he probably can't make me fold a better hand, so the best play is to call down.

Danenania · #4 04-26-2005, 06:37 PM

I like it.

afk · #5 04-26-2005, 06:46 PM

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That's a tough lay down that I couldn't make. I would have called down the turn 3bet and probably been shown AA or 99.

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pretty much the only thing I like about playing TAGs is you can assume they're same. if he has QQ, he's going to want to get to showdown against me. an idiot might think "holy [censored] i have queens, no way im losing this" and 3-bet, but I can trust a TAG to properly assess that (1) he's probably not ahead, and (2) he probably can't make me fold a better hand, so the best play is to call down.

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Oh I completely agree - I would probably play my aces pretty much the same way if I were the villain in this hand. I think you made a good fold - I don't think I would have made it though.

jrobb83 · #6 04-26-2005, 06:47 PM

If button calls the turn check-raise then raises the river do you pay off?

sthief09 · #7 04-26-2005, 06:49 PM

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If button calls the turn check-raise then raises the river do you pay off?

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I don't know. I don't think it matters that much. I guess not

jrobb83 · #8 04-26-2005, 06:55 PM

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I don't know. I don't think it matters that much. I guess not

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Your effective pot odds are much more favorable in the river raise situation. I'll usually call the check-raise, then raise the river with AA or 99 here against a TAG for precisely this reason. My thoughts are you are more likely to get that extra bet in on the river.

I don't think its a particularly difficult fold in either situation.

Alobar · #9 04-26-2005, 07:16 PM

Horrible

sthief09 · #10 04-26-2005, 07:30 PM

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Horrible

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whoa wasn't expecting that. we usually agree on stuff. what's the problem?