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Old 04-25-2005, 10:06 PM
stankybank stankybank is offline
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Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls $10, CO calls $10, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($40) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets $30</font>, CO calls $30, SB calls $30, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $150</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $270</font>, CO folds, SB folds, Hero ??? <font color="black"> </font>


I just sat down. No reads on villain.

Is it best to fold now or call down as long as board isn't too scary? What range of hands do you put villain on?
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Old 04-25-2005, 10:11 PM
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Default Re: bottom set on dangerous flop

Call, move in on a brick.
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Old 04-25-2005, 10:22 PM
stankybank stankybank is offline
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Default Re: bottom set on dangerous flop

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Call, move in on a brick.

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What range of hands do you put villain on?
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Old 04-25-2005, 11:27 PM
creedofhubris creedofhubris is offline
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Default Re: bottom set on dangerous flop

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Is it best to fold now or call down as long as board isn't too scary? What range of hands do you put villain on?

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You can't fold this.

Villain could have anything from the nuts to a big hearts draw to AJ.
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Old 04-26-2005, 12:51 AM
BigSkiRace BigSkiRace is offline
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Default Re: bottom set on dangerous flop

I agree you cant fold on the flop and your outs for a full house are live...here is my opinon on the hand
1) hes got a suited ace and is making a move
2) hes got a 9 and wants a free card
3) hes got AJ

I know you arent beat on the flop, no f**in way and if you are that sucks....
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Old 04-26-2005, 12:55 AM
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Default Re: bottom set on dangerous flop

I would call and probably check the turn. Can you give us some reads on villain? Thanks.

-Nino
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Old 04-26-2005, 01:07 AM
Lincfucius Lincfucius is offline
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Default Re: bottom set on dangerous flop

I don't play the Party 1000 so you must be cautious with my posts, but I have this weird feeling that villain is raising you with TJ. I just don't see a flush draw making that kind of a move, unless it's the AJ or A9 or hearts. Those are some very likely possibilities. TT or JJ I would expect a raise from 1st in pre-flop. A 9 looking for a free card does not seem plausible, nor does AJ (TPTK re-raising a check-raise with this board?)
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Old 04-26-2005, 01:32 AM
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Default Re: bottom set on dangerous flop

im not advocating a fold, but i think its really wrong to say that hero isnt behind here, he easily can be.
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Old 04-26-2005, 01:35 AM
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Default Re: bottom set on dangerous flop

any q,7, heart isnt a brick coupled wtih the risk you run of folding a fairly big pot with the best hand i dont like just calling here, i make my decision on the flop not the turn
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Old 04-26-2005, 05:46 AM
creedofhubris creedofhubris is offline
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Default Re: bottom set on dangerous flop

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im not advocating a fold, but i think its really wrong to say that hero isnt behind here, he easily can be.

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The giveaway is that villain bet a tiny amount, got raised, THEN CLICKED THE MIN-RAISE BUTTON rather than manually raising.

That means big hand of some kind.

Probably a good idea to fold anything smaller than top 2 to this kind of action on the flop. Hero has better than top 2 though.
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