A Pair of Queens

bobbyi · #1 04-23-2005, 12:56 AM

Party Poker $25 No-Limit Hold'em (10 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown
Button ($28.15)
SB ($46.95)
BB ($12.3)
UTG ($40.15)
UTG+1 ($37.15)
UTG+2 ($23.45)
MP1 ($11.25)
Hero ($29.49)
MP3 ($37.97)
CO ($30.03)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.36, 1 fold, CO calls $1.36, Button calls $1.36, 2 folds, UTG+2 calls $1.11, MP1 calls $1.11.

Flop: ($7.15) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $6, CO calls $6, Button folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls $6.

Turn: ($25.15) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $12, CO calls $12, MP1 calls $3.89 (All-In).

River: ($53.04) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: $53.04
Main Pot: $36.82, between MP1, Hero and CO.
Pot 2: $16.22, between Hero and CO.

joewatch · #2 04-23-2005, 02:27 AM

Read dependent, but strongly consider checking the turn. You are behind too many hands. (KT, 77,88,99, 78, 89)

kevin017 · #3 04-23-2005, 03:17 AM

tough because betting got big early. turn is a push or fold situation imo, any significant bet and you're pot committed. i'm guessing mp1 was drawing, and CO had you beat.

AncientPC · #4 04-23-2005, 04:53 AM

If I think I'm ahead on the flop, I'd overbet around ~$10 or so and slow down if called (but still would bet the turn if checked to).

It's a draw heavy flop and there are a lot of cards you don't want to see.

I think you played it just fine though.

bobbyi · #5 04-23-2005, 12:32 PM

[ QUOTE ]
turn is a push or fold situation imo, any significant bet and you're pot committed.

[/ QUOTE ]
I actually was planning to fold to a raise on the turn. Since MP1 is so close to being all-in, I thought it was a protected pot and I didn't think there was any chance that CO would push (my bet is half his stack, so to raise he has to push) on the turn with something that couldn't beat a pair of queens (and if I'm beat I have two outs at best). If you get raised here would you really call?

TreyOfLight · #6 04-23-2005, 04:19 PM

Raise more preflop.

If there's a compelling argument for raising strange amounts that attract attention, I'd like to hear it.

AncientPC · #7 04-23-2005, 04:21 PM

It works.

Hero already raised ~6BB w 2 limpers in front of him.

TreyOfLight · #8 04-23-2005, 05:30 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Hero already raised ~6BB w 2 limpers in front of him.

[/ QUOTE ]

Putting formulae aside, $2 (or perhaps $2.06) might get 2 callers and, if you're seeing a flop with queens, a three-way $6 pot is better in every regard than a five-way $7.15 pot.

As played, any PP is justified in calling almost on pot odds alone. Worse yet, OP has made it attractive and cheap for someone like MP1 to repop it, which our hero really doesn't want.

AncientPC · #9 04-23-2005, 05:33 PM

You base your assumption on knowing that 2 players behind will overcall OP's open raise.

Raising 6BB after 2 limpers in fine in most cases. The formulae, as you put it, already takes this into account.

If known that those two behind him are very loose callers, then perhaps it is better to raise more than 6BB. However on an unknown table he raised the proper amount.

beset7 · #10 04-23-2005, 06:24 PM

Looks pretty good.

The turn bet would worry me at higher limits though. Betting less then the pot here is a big cue to an aggro player that you have a PP less then a K and someone with a good draw would pop you back with a semi-bluff raise.

At the 25s this doesn't happen often.