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Old 04-22-2005, 05:31 PM
the_rookie the_rookie is offline
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Default Kk fights back against aggression... then slows down :)

Villian is typical nothing out of line from what I've seen.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, Hero calls, BB folds.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls.

River: (9.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB

Thoughts on this hand? Did I miss bets, save bets?
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Old 04-22-2005, 05:43 PM
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Default Re: Kk fights back against aggression... then slows down :)

I like 3-betting the flop, calling down if he caps and leads. If he calls my 3-bet and checks to me, I'll bet. If he calls my 3-bet and bets, I'll probably get confused and call down.
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Old 04-22-2005, 05:54 PM
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Default Re: Kk fights back against aggression... then slows down :)

Agreed. I like the idea of 3-betting this flop to find out where you are since you're either way ahead or way behind.
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Old 04-22-2005, 06:00 PM
the_rookie the_rookie is offline
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Default Re: Kk fights back against aggression... then slows down :)

Yeah I felt I was WA/WB. I tried to trap BB for another bet, (dead money), so I decided to wait and raise the turn.

I thought raising would do two things for me. Get a free showdown because A) Trip Js would fear a flush B) A flush would fear a boat C) He might try to get fancy and check/raise the river.

I'm thinking my thought process was retarded. If I raise the turn what happens if I get 3 bet? Now I'll still have to call because I have a flush draw now. So in retrospect I agree with the first two posters about 3 betting the flop is better than waiting till the turn.

Lesson learned... [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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Old 04-22-2005, 06:16 PM
ArturiusX ArturiusX is offline
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Default Re: Kk fights back against aggression... then slows down :)

I think you need to 3-bet this flop. If he caps, call down unless you improve.

On the turn, the raise is ok how you played it.

I'd bet the river unless he's really tricky.
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Old 04-22-2005, 08:10 PM
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Default Re: Kk fights back against aggression... then slows down :)

I would 3-bet the flop. If he caps, I think I would be in check/call mode (is that too weak?). If he calls the 3-bet on the flop and bets the turn, I'm not sure what I would do (call or raise again).

If he checks the turn, I would bet. Is that just asking for a 3-bet, or is it a good bet?
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Old 04-22-2005, 09:05 PM
McGahee McGahee is offline
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Default Re: Kk fights back against aggression... then slows down :)

[ QUOTE ]
Yeah I felt I was WA/WB. I tried to trap BB for another bet, (dead money), so I decided to wait and raise the turn.

I thought raising would do two things for me. Get a free showdown because A) Trip Js would fear a flush B) A flush would fear a boat C) He might try to get fancy and check/raise the river.

I'm thinking my thought process was retarded. If I raise the turn what happens if I get 3 bet? Now I'll still have to call because I have a flush draw now. So in retrospect I agree with the first two posters about 3 betting the flop is better than waiting till the turn.

Lesson learned... [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]

If you didn't pick up the flush draw on the turn, I'd say you played it perfectly. You could safely fold to a 3-bet without the flush draw. I like your line of thinking better than the "3-bet the flop to find out where you're at" crowd though.
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Old 04-22-2005, 09:17 PM
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Default Re: Kk fights back against aggression... then slows down :)

I hate when this happens. It kind of makes your head hurt.

I don't think not betting the flop is an option, and I don't think you can fold to the flop checkraise either.
I would just call the turn. I definitely wouldn't raise again.
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