Flush draw on Button question

AAAAdam · #1 04-19-2005, 04:35 AM

Trying to figure out if I theoretically screwed up. $6/$12 game. 8 people in and I'm on the button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. BB raises and this is raised again by MP2 (very loose player). All 8 stay for the flop. Given my position, I see the flop. 10[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] come up on the flop. More betting and raising. Only 2 fold. With 6 in and given the size of the pot, the pot odds seem good to push this, so I stay for another card. The turn is a 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. More betting and raising brings us down to 3 players. I call. River is the K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. While I won a VERY nice pot, I've never drawn out with 3 to a flush before. It seemed likely that I was up against at least one straight ... and I was. How would people here have played this?

Thx ... Adam

mantasm · #2 04-19-2005, 04:40 AM

Your preflop action doesn't make a lot of sense (BB raises first?) but you needed to fold to 3 cold preflop. After that you don't give pot sizes and aren't clear on the action but if there's 24 SB in on the flop you probably need to call. The rest is unclear, but when you pick up the flush draw it's easy to play. Welcome to the board, try buying a couple of the books over there on the left.

Argus · #3 04-19-2005, 04:42 AM

If there's a place to fold it's when it's two back to you preflop, but given that you can be pretty sure it's going to be 8 ways to the flop at this point I think a call is good. I count your outs as 3.5. Two outs to make broadway (you're probably chopping this, or someone is holding a king) and 1.5 outs for the backdoor flush draw. Getting 12:1 I'd call the flop. You improve on the turn so again there's no folding is this enormous pot. Sure you went runner runner with a marginal hand, but with a pot this size there's no folding. You just gamb00l along with the rest of them.

Argus · #4 04-19-2005, 04:43 AM

I read it as limping on the button with BB raising and MP2 limp-reraising.

AAAAdam · #5 04-19-2005, 04:55 AM

Yes, I limped in on the button, then BB raised followed by MP2 limp re-raising. And yes, it went to 25 BB before the flop and after rake.

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mantasm · #6 04-19-2005, 05:03 AM

OK, I didn't get it at first. I guess with that many people in it's worth a call preflop, especially since you're on the button. Postflop was probably fine given the huge pot size.