Q/Q Should I stop firing?

Delzek15 · #1 04-18-2005, 12:49 AM

I have two people raising/reraising me here... Do I keep capping once the turn comes out?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Button calls, SB folds.

Flop: (11 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, MP1 folds, MP3 calls, Button folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP3 raises, Hero calls, UTG+1 3-bets, MP3 calls, Hero caps, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

River: (20.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 23.50 BB

admiralfluff · #2 04-18-2005, 12:51 AM

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Do I keep capping once the turn comes out?

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yes

nice hand (from the turn)

edit: I would fold the flop without reads.

That guy · #3 04-18-2005, 12:58 AM

UTG+1 has 77
MP3 has KQ

you want to 5-bet it... but will have to settle for the cap

RollingRockMike · #4 04-18-2005, 01:36 AM

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I have two people raising/reraising me here... Do I keep capping once the turn comes out?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Button calls, SB folds.

Flop: (11 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, MP1 folds, MP3 calls, Button folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP3 raises, Hero calls, UTG+1 3-bets, MP3 calls, Hero caps, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

River: (20.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 23.50 BB

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I'm probably folding this flop as well. Post turn I'm putting in as many bets as possible.

Mike

HajiShirazu · #5 04-18-2005, 02:26 AM

I think he needs to call here closing the action getting 17-1 as his outs are clean.
Here was the ideal case, he ended up getting 47-1 on his call. Obvioiusly it doesn't always work out so well.

Bizot · #6 04-18-2005, 02:29 AM

no way i'm folding the flop for just 1 more pot odds are to good. Fold turn unimproved but with that card no way i am slowing down. can't put anyone on KK here given preflop stuff. Nice 1 outter [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

einbert · #7 04-18-2005, 02:32 AM

The flop call is close. I prefer folding, especially with the coldcaller. He'll have top pair or a hand he's slowplaying a good percentage of the time, since there is no flush draw or straight draw.

Three-bet the turn the first time though, I can't see why you wouldn't.

PokerBob · #8 04-18-2005, 02:32 AM

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I have two people raising/reraising me here... Do I keep capping once the turn comes out?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Button calls, SB folds.

Flop: (11 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, MP1 folds, MP3 calls, Button folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP3 raises, Hero calls, UTG+1 3-bets, MP3 calls, Hero caps, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

River: (20.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 23.50 BB

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You should have folded the flop. Once the turn hits, you should be throwing chips in until they tell you to stop.

Delzek15 · #9 04-18-2005, 02:33 AM

Thats what I thought too until he flipped over K/K and crushed my dreams. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

RollingRockMike · #10 04-18-2005, 02:37 AM

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Here was the ideal case, he ended up getting 47-1 on his call. Obvioiusly it doesn't always work out so well.

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You included his own subsequent bets in that calculation. As long as you're so result orientated, you should look at his actual result.

Mike