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Old 04-16-2005, 04:35 AM
Arm187r Arm187r is offline
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Default Standard fold pre-flop?

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Raised pre-flop I was the first one in. Opponents haven't seen me play a lot of hands. Also thought I might buy the button with a PF raise. Folded pre-flop cause I felt like I only had two outs. And even if my hand was good I felt like it would be hard for me to continue. Just want to know if my thinking is correct. Also this wasn't a very aggressive table.
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero folds, MP2 calls.

Flop: (11.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 3-bets</font>, CO calls.

Turn: (8.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, CO calls.

River: (10.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, CO folds.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB
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Old 04-16-2005, 04:42 AM
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Default Re: Standard fold pre-flop?

If the table was tight i would try this play. Middle PP's are hard to play unless you have good postflop skills.

I think your fold is prob ok w/out a read here. It will be very hard to play this hand OOP with broadway cards on the flop.
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Old 04-16-2005, 04:44 AM
A_C_Slater A_C_Slater is offline
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Default Re: Standard fold pre-flop?

you're getting odds of 5 to 1. You'll flop a seven 8 to 1. Easy fold.
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Old 04-16-2005, 04:44 AM
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Default Re: Standard fold pre-flop?

How is 11.50/2 = 9 to 1 ? I would've had to coldcall 2 more bets. Am i missing something?

Did I read someone's reply wrong? I thought i was responding to someone who said i was getting 9 to 1 but now that isn't in the thread?
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Old 04-16-2005, 04:46 AM
A_C_Slater A_C_Slater is offline
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Default Re: Standard fold pre-flop?

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How is 11.50/2 = 9 to 1 ? I would've had to coldcall 2 more bets. Am i missing something?

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I deleted that. Sorry. I thought it was just one SB back to you. If you could figure that out then why ask about the pre flop fold?
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Old 04-16-2005, 04:53 AM
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Default Re: Standard fold pre-flop?

I don't know. I didn't calculate the pot odds till after the hand was over. I tend to act on a hand alot of times quickly without doing that [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]. Also I think some people have said you don't necessarily need 7-to-1 to call if you expect to get alot of action if you hit your hand? Would this be such a scenario?
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Old 04-16-2005, 04:55 AM
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Default Re: Standard fold pre-flop?

I have read two posts in this thread, and both gave horrible weak-tight advice.

Clarkmesiter's 2nd Law: NEVER fold a pocket pair preflop after you already have one SB (small bet) invested in the pot.

You already have two SB in there. Folding for two more in this spot makes Baby Gerber cry. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

Your really lucky I'm not as nittish as Entity. [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]

Brad
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Old 04-16-2005, 05:01 AM
A_C_Slater A_C_Slater is offline
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Default Re: Standard fold pre-flop?

But if you're gonna fold the flop barring a seven then why would you make the call with improper odds to hit a set?
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Old 04-16-2005, 05:01 AM
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Default Re: Standard fold pre-flop?

hero calls very easy call to make

the hands you fold are ones that now appear to be dominated and aren't suited, that aren't great multiway .. such as ATo, or KQo
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Old 04-16-2005, 05:03 AM
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Default Re: Standard fold pre-flop?

And what if you limp with 22 UTG and it's folded to SB who raises and then BB reraises? Or same scenario except Button raises and SB reraises and BB caps?
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