KTo - Good river fold?

JoshuaD · #1 04-15-2005, 12:48 PM

This is 100% readless. I had just sat down, I've seen the guys play 1 hand. (Neither did anything worthwhile in that hand).

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, MP2 calls, Button folds.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, MP2 calls.

River: (6.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, MP2 raises, Hero folds...

Good fold?

Chairman Wood · #2 04-15-2005, 12:54 PM

I don't think so. I'm pretty sure I see a bluff raise on a scare card more than 1 out of 9 times at 3/6.

JoshuaD · #3 04-15-2005, 12:57 PM

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I don't think so. I'm pretty sure I see a bluff raise on a scare card more than 1 out of 9 times at 3/6.

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The 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] was much scarier than the 5, he didn't raise that, and with my continued aggression and the caller between us I can't imagine someone bluff-raising here very often.

Chairman Wood · #4 04-15-2005, 01:04 PM

Me doos nat read to good

Stu Pidasso · #5 04-15-2005, 01:15 PM

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I don't think so. I'm pretty sure I see a bluff raise on a scare card more than 1 out of 9 times at 3/6.

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Bluff raise against better and caller? Maybe if the guy is getting down to his last few chips.

Stu

JoshuaD · #6 04-15-2005, 01:20 PM

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Bluff raise against better and caller? Maybe if the guy is getting down to his last few chips.

Stu

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Good point. He had a decent stack at the time, not nearing empty.

mute · #7 04-15-2005, 02:11 PM

Yeah, against 2 opponents I don't think your hand is good often enough.

tipperdog · #8 04-15-2005, 02:46 PM

I call for three primary reasons:

1. Against unknowns at 3/6, I lean toward calling in close situations.
2. Blah, blah, blah...pot size...only have be right 1 in 9 times...blah, blah, blah.
3. The raise looks suspicious. With a straight on the turn, it's a clear value raise to charge flush draws. With a flush on the turn it's also a clear raise for all the reasons everyone knows (again, we see slowplayed flushes all the time, but it's a boneheaded play in this situation). Now, if he doesn't have a straight or a flush, would he raise something like A5 here? I doubt it, given the dangerous looking board.

So yeah, I call. I expect to lose, but I call.

einbert · #9 04-15-2005, 03:25 PM

Good fold.

ckessel · #10 04-15-2005, 03:36 PM

I'll probably be lambasted, but the turn card is terrible for you. You lose to a flush or a straight and anyone that called with JTs or T9s. Just too many ways to lose and cards that make it even worse to come on the river.

I check/fold the turn. Seriously. Let the lambasting begin. There's big chance your drawing dead at a relatively small pot and even if you're not dead, there's so many bad cards that can come on the river. 5,6,7,8,9,J,Q,A and any diamond, that's some 30 or so cards, nearly 2/3 the remaining deck. Is it worth spending 2BB more to fight for a 3.5BB pot?

I think you'd need a lot more pot equity than you have to even call at the turn.