Flopped set. Played too fast?

kongo_totte · #1 04-15-2005, 09:59 AM

New to table, no reads.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter

CO ($155.3)
Button ($134.35)
SB ($66.75)
BB ($100)
UTG ($100)
UTG+1 ($101.9)
Hero ($148.5)
MP2 ($99.9)
MP3 ($100)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG raises to $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $2, 4 folds, SB (poster) calls $1.50, BB calls $1.

Flop: ($8) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets $1, BB calls $1, UTG raises to $9, Hero raises to $20, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds.

Final Pot: $39

IRV · #2 04-15-2005, 10:07 AM

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New to table, no reads.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter

CO ($155.3)
Button ($134.35)
SB ($66.75)
BB ($100)
UTG ($100)
UTG+1 ($101.9)
Hero ($148.5)
MP2 ($99.9)
MP3 ($100)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG raises to $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $2, 4 folds, SB (poster) calls $1.50, BB calls $1.

Flop: ($8) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets $1, BB calls $1, UTG raises to $9, Hero raises to $20, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds.

Final Pot: $39

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I think it was a very good play. You don't want anyone drawing cheap on that board.

djoyce003 · #3 04-15-2005, 10:28 AM

It all really depends on your risk tolerance. That is a draw heavy board. The UTG raise already prevents someone from drawing cheaply. You could smooth call here, and pop a non-scary turn card. I personally like the raise though...his reraise signifies he likes his hand, and he is very likely to call your raise, he just didn't in this case.

Rickyroodido · #4 04-15-2005, 10:31 AM

I play 0.25$ so im probably not the best one to answer this. However my main income comes from people calling that type of raises, and I have noticed that its got some byllying effect. As far as I can se you have to protect your hand against the flush, and possible straightdraws so its seems like a question between winning a bigger pot with a greater risk and taking down a small one safe. I like giving people bad odds instead of freecards, but thats me a NL 0.25 player.
I hope this wasnt to obvious...

FlipPoker · #5 04-15-2005, 10:57 AM

Not fast at all. With 4 players and a board with possible flush and straight draws, you can't slowplay. You have to make it expensive for someone hoping to see another [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or low card on the turn. Also, your raise wasn't too big to keep UTG aroudn if he had AA or KK. I think you played it fine.

just2ska · #6 04-15-2005, 11:04 AM

love that move

swolfe · #7 04-15-2005, 12:35 PM

it's fine. sometimes people don't have much...

kurto · #8 04-15-2005, 01:03 PM

I can never decide if I'm too weak or not. One hand everyone's encourage aggression and I'm saying the opposite. On this hand, I, personally, would slow down.

Here's my .02:

When the UTG raised to $9, I would have been willing to bet it was going to go heads up.

UTG raised preflop, and reraised on the flop. The only hand he has that he might have raised with that I'm really afraid of is AKs.

I think he's playing it more like an overpair who wants to shut out any draws. In which case you're really only worried about 2 outs.

SB's bet was weak... he's got a small piece but doesn't want to play it for a real bet. He was likely to fold to UTG's bet.

I call the reraise and induce a bet on the turn, then raise.

steaknshake925 · #9 04-15-2005, 01:29 PM

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I think he's playing it more like an overpair who wants to shut out any draws. In which case you're really only worried about 2 outs.

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the problem with flatcalling is that if villain has an overpair you might be able to get it in on the flop anyway, whereas if u wait until the turn some scare card might fall and kill ur action. so against a likely overpair i think the flop is the best place to try to get the money in.

FlipPoker · #10 04-15-2005, 01:33 PM

I like re-raising on the flop because I want to get heads up. I see your point about smooth-calling the flop and then popping the turn. However, I need a less coordinated board to smooth-call. In general, I like to play sets fast. I'm curious as to why he folded. I'd expect him to call the reraise. Maybe he was just trying to steal the pot.