Bet this river?

mrpurple · #1 04-14-2005, 02:31 AM

UTG is kind of a donk. Lots of the stuff he shows down are runner runner suckouts. Way to loose and goes way to far with hands. A pleasure to play with.

I have a set of kings. But, I can't imagine getting called by any hand without an ace or 9. Plus, If he rivered the straight no way he bets out. He definately wants to checkraise.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. MP1 posts a blind of $3.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, 7 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (8.33 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: (5.16 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.

River: (7.16 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 7.16 BB

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. MP1 posts a blind of $3.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, 7 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (8.33 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: (5.16 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.

River: (7.16 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 7.16 BB

Also, just out of curiousity, no one finds a fold here regardless of what kind of donk bets out do they? I definately don't. But, I'm started to realize I'm paying off on the river to often with big pockets when I'm outdrawn. So, its a point of interest for me.

spoohunter · #2 04-14-2005, 02:42 AM

The real question is, is he a loose passive calling station, or is he a crazy donk?

The river is a definite bet, but just because a player is 'bad' doesn't mean you pay him off more. In fact, I pay off 'good' players more often than I pay off 'bad' but it all depends on what type of good and what type of bad they are.

KDawgCometh · #3 04-14-2005, 02:43 AM

I wouldn't bet that river. So many people will stay in with an ace its not funny. At full handed tables I take the careful route when four to a straight appears on the board, esp in the hand playing range

mrpurple · #4 04-14-2005, 02:47 AM

loose passive donk. If I bet and get checkraised, fold or call?

to answer my own question, he is passive enough he doesn't checkraise without the straight. I can fold.

I just hate folding there.

Piiop · #5 04-14-2005, 03:35 AM

Bet the river so hard.

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I can't imagine getting called by any hand without an ace or 9

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Seriously?

mrpurple · #6 04-14-2005, 03:40 AM

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Bet the river so hard.

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I can't imagine getting called by any hand without an ace or 9

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Seriously?

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You are right. I am giving him too much credit.

tacos · #7 04-14-2005, 05:05 AM

I'd bet it. Too often, the chump just has a small pocket pair he can't let go of - and I really get that feel on this one.

mrpurple · #8 04-14-2005, 05:10 AM

Chump showed something like J7 for a pair of jacks and MHIG.

Jeffage · #9 04-14-2005, 08:35 AM

Even donks will bet out if they river a straight here b/c they're afraid it will be checked through. When he checks, I put him on 2pair AT BEST. Bet and see what it collects. If he had bet, you shrug and call.

Jeff

27offsooot · #10 04-14-2005, 09:00 AM

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Lots of the stuff he shows down are runner runner suckouts.

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I think this read was results-oriented and affecting your play... Bet/ fold this against LPPs 100% of the time. He will only c/r with the ace. He will call with a bunch of other crap (and probably the 9).