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They all love to bet out here to test their Ace(at least this is what I always assume) Expecting me to 3-bet the flop so they can safely fold. Do you agree with my assumptions and the way I play the hand?
Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, BB calls. Flop: (4.33 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls. Turn: (3.16 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls. River: (5.16 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls. Final Pot: 9.16 BB |
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daddy likey
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Nice hand. I think I would've raised the turn in case he was betting his spade draw and he won't call the river raise if he misses.
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Nice hand. I think I would've raised the turn in case he was betting his spade draw and he won't call the river raise if he misses. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. But with a read that he is always aggressive until met with resistance, this line is okay. |
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this is discussed in HOFAP (hold em for advanced players)
it says to take this line because it also scares the player with 2 two pair or even a set into just calling because it would be scraed of a monster... and when they 3-bet you can easily fold |
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Hmmm.
I'm assuming that you feel you're ahead on the flop, but remember that you've already tickled the pot once with your PF raise. BB bets into you anyways on a flop with an ace; I see a few possibilities, not all of which have you ahead of the game. I guess I'm a bit skittish of the spade draw and the sets, and I raise the turn partly to punish drawers with bad odds but mostly to gain information. A three-bet on the turn lets me call all the way down. Plus, many players who have little or nothing will just check/call the river, at which point you lose 1 BB. I find I get a bit more play out of a turn raise than a river raise. How do you respond to a reraise on the river? It's really hard to know what that means, and you'll probably have to pay off the A9 or 44 there. I guess I see your point, and your line works for me if you THINK your aces/queen kicker will hold up on the river. I just don't feel abundantly confident on this flop, and I probably want to throw my weight around a bit to try and drive him off or beat him up. Maybe I'm just off my rocker, though. Like I said, I think your play is fine; I'd just play it differently (raise the turn). |
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Nice hand. I think I would've raised the turn in case he was betting his spade draw and he won't call the river raise if he misses. [/ QUOTE ] If you raise the turn, he calls with his spade draw and checks to you on the river then folds if he misses. You get 2 BB out of this. If you don't raise the turn, he still bluffs out with a missed spade draw and folds to a river raise. You get 2 BB out of this. The difference is that a lot of weaker hands that would call a river raise, often won't call a river bet after a turn raise. To figure out which play is correct you'd have to know how likely this opponent is to fold to a river bet after a turn raise, how often he's on a flush draw here, as opposed to how often he's on a weak ace here. Without this information I lean towards waiting until the river to raise. |
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Good points about the flush draw in this particular case. Honestly though I really don't consider it to much which may be a big mistake on my part. #1 What are the odds that a lone opponent calling out of the BB hits a flush draw. #2 They barely have odds to call a draw let alone the equity to pump it HU. Not that many players will even consider these facts which is ignorance on my part. Giving more credit than I should.
Really this is just a variation of the C/call, C/call, Bet line. With C/call you don't have position and here you do, but you achieve the same thing...I Think? Win the most when ahead and lose the least when behind. Folding to a 3-bet on the river is read dependant of course. FWIW I can't remember getting 3-bet in this situation (I must have at least once or twice) and I use this line alot. As an example Villian took this hand down with 97o and didn't three bet the river..go figure. Now you see one reason why I posted it. Even if he had the weak Ace I first assumed (as I usually do) am I being foolish allowing him to hit his three outter. I feel the pot is small that it isn't a disaster, but wanted your opinions. |
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I dig it.... though a turn raise would also allow me to dig said hand.
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I usually raise the turn in instances like these. I hate the feeling of giving up so many cheap cards that could beat me.
Discuss.... Adam |
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