lost with an overpair

dfscott · #1 04-13-2005, 01:39 AM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter

UTG (t1303)
UTG+1 (t1287)
MP1 (t790)
Hero (t510)
MP3 (t1085)
CO (t745)
Button (t770)
SB (t675)
BB (t835)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t15, 1 fold, Hero calls t15, MP3 calls t15, CO calls t15, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t90) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets t55, Hero ???

My hand is better than top pair, but very vulnerable. I also have a ton of people left to act behind me.

I was torn between putting in a raise of 100-150 here or just dumping it, assuming that I wouldn't be able to take it down. Another option is pushing, but I felt like that was a little reckless. I didn't feel like calling was an option due to my stack size.

Thoughts?

Patrick Duffy · #2 04-13-2005, 01:44 AM

i think i like pushing, but thats cause im on tilt from being down to 510 with blinds still at 15. actually, yeah i really do like pushing. qq, kk, and aa raise preflop, villain is feeling cocky and has chips to spare so he threw in that bet with aj or something. shove em in, watch em fold.

err wait...you do want everyone to fold, right?

i definitely think i want to take it down now, while im still confident my hand is good. if you call and a a,k or q drops then you dont know what to do. better to push and take it while its yours.

citanul · #3 04-13-2005, 01:45 AM

i like a raise. you're short, likely have the best hand, will possibly get some dummy with a pair to double you, and will often not fold out hands that would fold to a push that you don't want to fold out here. i know that you can play for set value with jj sometimes, but this seems like a really bad spot for it. i'd probably make it about 200 to go, be fine taking it down, but try to thin out the herd some.

citanul

citanul · #4 04-13-2005, 01:47 AM

i dunno how much i like this "you just want to take it down becaue there's 1/4 of the deck that's kinda scary." homey needs chips. homey needs to put aside fear sometimes, and let people draw with cruddy odds. if all else fails, raise enough to committ youself.

citanul

Patrick Duffy · #5 04-13-2005, 01:58 AM

i think its still plenty early enough to push, take it down, and only be down about 150 for the tourney. i dont think homey needs chips bad enough to risk letting a chump draw out just cause hes giving them cruddy odds. maybe i like raising to 250 or so a little better tho. just let them know youre willing to go all the way with this one so their a9 or kj doesnt look so good any more. raising also most likely gets rid of any flush draws, which is always good.

calling and hoping for no raises behind you isnt bad either, now that i think about it. if a non-scary card hits on the turn, its a definite push from there.

i think...

The Yugoslavian · #6 04-13-2005, 02:02 AM

Pick a better spot.
Level 1 jack jack is meh.
Folding is sublime.

Yugoslav

eastbay · #7 04-13-2005, 02:07 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Pick a better spot.
Level 1 jack jack is meh.
Folding is sublime.

Yugoslav

[/ QUOTE ]

Raise but not all-in
You cannot fold in this spot
You'll get paid too much

eastbay

Patrick Duffy · #8 04-13-2005, 02:10 AM

FE is crucial
to the victor go the chips
i like sandwiches

this whole poetry thing aint my bag

raptor517 · #9 04-13-2005, 02:24 AM

holla back eastbay
i like what you have to say
raise yer jacks right here

holla

The Yugoslavian · #10 04-13-2005, 02:25 AM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Pick a better spot.
Level 1 jack jack is meh.
Folding is sublime.

Yugoslav

[/ QUOTE ]

Raise but not all-in
You cannot fold in this spot
You'll get paid too much

eastbay

[/ QUOTE ]

Five hundred ten chips.
I think I've changed my mind now:
Raise and PROFIT BITCH!

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Yugoslav