Pot Control vs Charging Draws

IRV · #1 04-12-2005, 09:15 AM

Anyone have any advice for Pot Control vs Charging Draws on the 1/2 - 2/4 NL game? What should take precedence or is it situational (if so when why who)?

Any help much appreciated?

BobboFitos · #2 04-12-2005, 04:00 PM

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Anyone have any advice for Pot Control vs Charging Draws on the 1/2 - 2/4 NL game? What should take precedence or is it situational (if so when why who)?

Any help much appreciated?

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IT DEPENDS!

kurto · #3 04-12-2005, 04:31 PM

I think this is actually a good question, albeit too vague. I know this comes up a lot in my games and I immediately think of this forum...

I have an overpair, let's say Jacks... the board is semicoordinated mid-lo cards... let's say there's a straight and/or a flush draw. I want to bet to get people out,.. on the other hand, I would then be forced bloat the pot with just an overpair. And... to top it off, I'm out of position.

Furthermore, if you bet and get any callers AND you're out of position, if you check, many will auto-bluff.

Sometimes, on Party at least (wasn't so bad on Pokerstars), its difficult to manage the potsize when you're playing against so many LAGS, FISH and Maniacs.

spoohunter · #4 04-12-2005, 04:51 PM

Against very striaght forward players charging draws takes precedence, against tricky players, pot control.

You should have a general idea of how much $$$ your hand can stand and still have a pretty decent chance of winning.

IRV · #5 04-13-2005, 10:28 AM

Thanks for the responses.

Yeah, I've been torn for some time about this. If I pot bet good hands and excercise pot control on vulnerable hands like TPTK or PP then I would be easier to read. So to keep it consistent, I'd have to choose one over the other. I'm probably leaning towards pot control, however, on good tables with good players, they tend to pot bet more. I see it alot in 5/10NL games. The problem with that is there is hardly ever a showdown.. and when there is... someone is going broke.

Again thanks for the help!!

MikeL · #6 04-13-2005, 10:42 AM

I posted an analysis awhile ago about differing betting
styles, and the conclusion I came to was the following:

1) The ability to decern when your "good" hand is actually
beat is by far the most important skill in NL. Not
being able to get away from a loser will cost you more than
any other area of the game, including being too loose!

2) I am not sure of the actual value of pot control, once
you have mastered (faily well) getting away from the losing
hands.

Here is the post:
Pot control and getting away from losers.

Regards,
Mike L.

MikeL · #7 04-13-2005, 11:32 AM

Somehow the link didn't convert, here it is again:

Pot Control and Getting Away from Losers

IRV · #8 04-13-2005, 02:54 PM

Thanks... helps alot!!!

BobboFitos · #9 04-13-2005, 11:08 PM

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I see it alot in 5/10NL games. The problem with that is there is hardly ever a showdown.. and when there is... someone is going broke.

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This has definately not been my experience

IRV · #10 04-14-2005, 03:32 PM

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I see it alot in 5/10NL games. The problem with that is there is hardly ever a showdown.. and when there is... someone is going broke.

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This has definately not been my experience

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I've never played 5/10NL but I watch it from time to time for fun. I sort by highest pot size and this is the case in most of what i've seen. Actually, most small bets in that game get raised almost always. The small bet is either weak or is inducing a bluff.