Waiting until the river - 3/6 AQo

mannika · #1 04-12-2005, 02:41 AM

Was going to wait until the turn to raise, but once I saw that the BB might come along for the ride and that the board had almost no draws whatsoever, I decided to wait until the river. You like?

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (6.33 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (4.66 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (7.66 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, BB folds, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 11.66 BB

Edit: Sorry if this is so standard that it's a waste of space, just a check-up

mtdoak · #2 04-12-2005, 02:44 AM

no no no and no. Protect your hand, protect your hand!!! Heads up you might be able to pull this, but I want BB to PAY to draw out on me. Also, you do this to get INFORMATION. What if MP1 has a set here? Or some raggedy two pair. Your going to find that out by raising.

mannika · #3 04-12-2005, 02:47 AM

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no no no and no. Protect your hand, protect your hand!!! Heads up you might be able to pull this, but I want BB to PAY to draw out on me. Also, you do this to get INFORMATION. What if MP1 has a set here? Or some raggedy two pair. Your going to find that out by raising.

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Fair enough, that's why you have check-ups. Generally I would raise here, but I figured the board was so drawless that I could wait here to get more money in.

So I should be raising to protect my hand from middle pairs from pairing up? What if my ace was paired and not the queen?

bernie · #4 04-12-2005, 02:54 AM

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no no no and no. Protect your hand, protect your hand!!!

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From what, From what!!!

What hand are you afraid of on this raggedy ass board that is getting odds on the flop? A King? That's 14-1 for him to spike that. Someone turning a set? That's 22-1. You don't want to blow those hands out.

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What if MP1 has a set here? Or some raggedy two pair. Your going to find that out by raising.

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2 pair is unlikely. A set usually waits to the turn. You're likely up against top pair worse kicker which some will 3 bet you with.

You're not folding this hand to aggression on the flop.

If there were 1 or 2 more opponents in, I can maybe see a raise.

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bernie · #5 04-12-2005, 02:57 AM

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So I should be raising to protect my hand from middle pairs from pairing up?

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A PP? No, let them in. There's no way they'd recoup what they need in implied odds to spike a set on the turn.

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orionfett · #6 04-12-2005, 04:54 AM

i dont mind your play at all. The board is draw less and anyone drawing to 2 pair or a set isnt near enough odds. They are already paying enough for there horrible draws and i like to keep that third man in there for 1 more bb before i raise. I also agree that it is v unlikely a set is out there from there play bb wouldnt come out betting flop and other gujy would raise turn with a set. and what 2 pair 3-2 q-2 q-3? i think your play is not standard since check calling is dirty but i dont think its -ev really.

Shillx · #7 04-12-2005, 04:59 AM

This is supposted to be my line! I like it a lot eventhough everyone one will give you [censored] for it. Anyone who doesn't understand why this is good needs to re-evaluate their game imo (though a turn raise is understandable).

Brad

bernie · #8 04-12-2005, 05:16 AM

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(though a turn raise is understandable).

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Why raise the turn on that blank turn card? The odds are cut in 1/2 of what they were getting on the flop so they are drawing even thinner and only to 1 card.

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Shillx · #9 04-12-2005, 05:24 AM

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(though a turn raise is understandable).

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Why raise the turn on that blank turn card? The odds are cut in 1/2 of what they were getting on the flop so they are drawing even thinner and only to 1 card.

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Sorry I didn't clarify myself. A turn raise is understandable depending on what falls. If a total blank falls then yes I agree with calling again as I use this play all the time. If a card falls that could give someone a legit draw, then rasing the turn makes sense.

Brad

private joker · #10 04-12-2005, 05:32 AM

I just did this too, but it was heads up.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
6 folds, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, CO calls.

Flop: (7.33 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.66 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.66 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets, Hero raises, CO calls.

Final Pot: 10.66 BB

Results in white below: 
CO has 9s 9c (two pair, nines and fives).
Hero has Ah As (two pair, aces and fives).
Outcome: Hero wins 10.66 BB.