Two Plus Two Older Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Older Archives > Limit Texas Hold'em > Micro-Limits
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

View Poll Results: What is the biggest leak in the average micro player's game?
Misplaying draws 13 7.39%
Going to far with marginal hands when the pot is small 61 34.66%
Failing to properly defend your hand with aggressive play when the pot is big 24 13.64%
Folding the best hand on the river when the pot is big 13 7.39%
Slowplaying to often or at the wrong times 16 9.09%
Misplaying overcards 49 27.84%
Voters: 176. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 04-11-2005, 12:41 PM
BellyBuster7 BellyBuster7 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Reading SSH
Posts: 77
Default River decision- bet or check-raise?

It seems so rare that I get to suckout on someone on the river, that when it happens, I'm not sure what the proper play is.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, BB folds, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

River: (10.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero ???

CO seems like a pretty solid player- I definitely had him noted as the only player on this particular table that I thought was playing solid poker.

By betting out here, I'm announcing I have AK- I don't think CO will raise, and I may lose one or both players. By checking and hoping CO will continue to bet so I can CR, I run the risk of having my nut hand get checked through.

To bet, or try for the check-raise, that is the question.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 04-11-2005, 12:50 PM
teajay teajay is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 56
Default Re: River decision- bet or check-raise?

Bet. It would be a shame if it got checked through.

You say CO is someone you think of as a reasonably solid player. To me this sais that he is likely to call a single bet on the end closing the action in this fairly big pot.

Not to mention, MP1 seems to like his hand enough to stick around for the whole thing, so he's probably calling.

Furthermore, if you go for the check raise you're going to put MP1 in a position where he may have to cold call two (assuming he doesn't bet himself) which he may not do, so in the end the two bets from CO from the CR is the same as two calls from MP1 and CO.

Cheers,
Travis
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 04-11-2005, 01:02 PM
GrunchCan GrunchCan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Jundland Wastes
Posts: 595
Default Re: River decision- bet or check-raise?

Bet. There's too much chance that the villan here won't bet. He may have been betting a now-busted flush draw, something like AJ which he may give up on now, or might just be scared of the straight draw. I'd want to get paid for my draw for sure, so I'd bet ensuring at least 1 call, rather than risking none.

By the way, I'm of the opinion that polls aren't a good way of getting strategy advice. You really need to understand the why, not just the what. Plus, don't you want to know whose advice you are accepting?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 04-11-2005, 01:03 PM
davelin davelin is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 708
Default Re: River decision- bet or check-raise?

Bet, I don't even think this is close.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 04-11-2005, 01:15 PM
unimproved unimproved is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: i hate harv72b
Posts: 148
Default Re: River decision- bet or check-raise?

[ QUOTE ]
Bet, I don't even think this is close.

[/ QUOTE ]

Nor me. If you bet, the bad player in the middle will probably call, as will CO. If you check, he will probably check his AJ behind after being called in both spots following the turn Q. If he is a thinking player, he may also realise that that river card has just completed the nut straight for what is far and away your most plausible holding. Checkraising will doubtless fold out MP1 and screams strength to CO, who is far more likely to now find a fold (netting you one big bet) than if you had just bet (gaining you two).
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 04-11-2005, 01:48 PM
Aaron W. Aaron W. is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 87
Default Re: River decision- bet or check-raise?

[ QUOTE ]
Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls.

...

CO seems like a pretty solid player- I definitely had him noted as the only player on this particular table that I thought was playing solid poker.


[/ QUOTE ]

Probably not after that cold-call. Bet the river.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 04-11-2005, 03:07 PM
Ringo_Mojo Ringo_Mojo is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Bear is driving! How can that be?
Posts: 139
Default Re: River decision- bet or check-raise?

I say bet, for two reasons. The pot is large enough that they would probably be correct to call even with the possibility of you having AK. Also as has been pointed out in other threads, CO doesn't know you've got the nuts, he'll probably keep raising, letting you 3-bet with the best hand.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 04-11-2005, 03:29 PM
BellyBuster7 BellyBuster7 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Reading SSH
Posts: 77
Default Re: River decision- bet or check-raise?

Does anyone who voted 'check-raise' care to comment?
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:12 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.