raise this weird turn bet?

dark_horse · #1 04-08-2005, 03:24 PM

these kinds of bets are always a bit jarring, never too sure what to do about them. BB cold called 3 bets PF, so.. does he really have a five? was he slowplaying a set and filled up on the turn, wanting me to raise? i know reads are important. my reads are much more accurate when i'm playing b&m, where my results are generally better.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1.
2 folds, UTG+2 raises, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, Hero (poster) 3-bets, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (15.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP3 folds.

Turn: (8.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (10.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.75 BB

itsmesteve · #2 04-08-2005, 03:34 PM

Without a read, its definitely tough. I'd say your line is OK as a default. He may not give you credit for an Ace, and may have a weaker one himself, or a Jack, or mid pp, a five, tough to say. I think raising the turn probably folds weaker hands than yours while exposing you to a three bet from a hand that crushes you. Checking also lets him bet the river, earning you one more BB when ahead. The only way I raise this is if I'd fold to a 3 bet or him calling and leading a non-ace, non-five river. I wouldn't make that laydown without a read, so that's why i like your line.

wyoak · #3 04-08-2005, 05:01 PM

i don't see raising as a good option on the turn. it costs the same to get to a showdown with no risk of being 3-bet.
also he didn't coldcall PF.

dark_horse · #4 04-08-2005, 05:31 PM

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i don't see raising as a good option on the turn. it costs the same to get to a showdown with no risk of being 3-bet.
also he didn't coldcall PF.

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He certainly did coldcall PF. He called two raises cold from the BB.

KaiShin · #5 04-08-2005, 05:48 PM

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i don't see raising as a good option on the turn. it costs the same to get to a showdown with no risk of being 3-bet.
also he didn't coldcall PF.

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He certainly did coldcall PF. He called two raises cold from the BB.

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He was a blind, so its kind of a semi-coldcall. Not a true coldcall.

I want to show my hand down, so I'm just calling here. I don't like raising and folding to a 3-bet.

AlmightyJay · #6 04-08-2005, 04:00 PM

I would expect an average player to check/raise this turn if they had a 5. Still, I think you want to see a showdown, and want to see it cheap. I like calling down, rather than raising. It also keeps him in the hand if he is bluffing.

otnemem · #7 04-08-2005, 05:07 PM

I have a weird feeling that he has a weak ace, and is pretty confident that if you have an ace, you might be splitting on the paired five (w/ jack kicker). He's probably hoping you have a pair worse than aces or a split pot.

Redd · #8 04-08-2005, 05:23 PM

Disclaimer: I'm GrunchCan's bitch and am posting in the dark.

I'd call the turn. If he doesn't have a 5, then let him keep bluffing into you on the riv. If he is donking up the 5, you lose the least.

I'd also then call the riv, since if you'll raise he'll just fold most losing hands or 3-bet a winning one.

Wetdog · #9 04-08-2005, 05:25 PM

He might have a 5, he might have A5, he might have 55. Your 3bet PF might have slowed him down on the flop, the 5 on the turn waking him up.

Somekid · #10 04-08-2005, 05:54 PM

I would've raised the turn and folded to a 3-bet. Although I have no idea whats going on. It seems that if he'd made a full he'd go for a C/R on the turn. So he's probably trying to represent three 5's.