Turn raise, or keep calling?

KaiShin · #1 04-08-2005, 01:45 PM

Just started bonus clearing on Empire, this is my 3rd hand at the table with unknowns.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB 3-bets, BB calls, MP1 folds, Hero calls.
 Whoops, 3-bet out of the SB looks like I'm in trouble now. 

Flop: (10 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero calls.
 OK, not a bad flop. I can continue with this.

Turn: (6.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero calls.
 Thinking about the raise to see if I'm up against an overpair or if I'm outkicked. The advantage is information, and collecting more money from BB should I be up against JJ-KK. The disadvantage is folding out SB and BB if I'm ahead and missing out on river bets. Also getting 3-bet would suck.

River: (9.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero raises, SB calls, BB folds.
 I guess this is obvious. 

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

jaxUp · #2 04-08-2005, 01:49 PM

I like this line, even with a different river.

jrz1972 · #3 04-08-2005, 01:51 PM

I would just call this turn as well. A lot of opponents won't three-bet even if you're outkicked, so I don't know that there's really much information to be gained here.

chaz64 · #4 04-08-2005, 01:52 PM

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The disadvantage is folding out SB and BB if I'm ahead and missing out on river bets. Also getting 3-bet would suck

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They just bet and called - you think they fold for one more bet here? I think a raise is OK - you have outs if you are behind.

KaiShin · #5 04-08-2005, 01:52 PM

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I like this line, even with a different river.

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I was planning on just calling the river as well, if my gutshot didn't come in. Is that the wrong way to play this?

MrBruno · #6 04-08-2005, 01:54 PM

I play the same...

KaiShin · #7 04-08-2005, 01:54 PM

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They just bet and called - you think they fold for one more bet here? I think a raise is OK - you have outs if you are behind.

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Yeah you're right they wouldn't fold. My primary concern was ensuring that SB continued aggression on the river, and collecting BB's smoothcalls.

jaxUp · #8 04-08-2005, 01:56 PM

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I like this line, even with a different river.

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I was planning on just calling the river as well, if my gutshot didn't come in. Is that the wrong way to play this?

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It's not by any means "wrong," but with BB calling along I think you are ahead probably 1/3 of the time here on the river. I think that most players won't 3-bet non-pp hands from the SB (even SH in the micros). I could be wrong here as well. What do others think of raising a non-scary river (like a Q or a 3 or something)?

jrz1972 · #9 04-08-2005, 02:01 PM

I have to admit that I just call a non-scary river if I miss my gutshot. Maybe that's weak, but all I have is TPGK against a guy who has bet every street and an overcaller. That's obviously too good a hand to fold, but I don't like my chances enough to raise.

numeri · #10 04-08-2005, 02:17 PM

[grunching]

pre-flop: Looks good - likely the best hand and trying to buy the button. Sucks about the 3-bet but definitely a call when it comes back.

flop: 4 outs for the GSD and maybe 1.5 for the A. (I don't even give a T any outs even though it's an overcard.) Against passive opponents, we could raise here for a free card, but that's not likely to happen with SB being so aggressive. Call and reassess the turn.

turn: I don't like to use the turn to raise to see what I'm up against, especially with TP decent kicker. And even moreso because I'd be unable to release it if 3-bet by an unknown.

river: Yes - obvious.