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Old 04-07-2005, 06:53 PM
Raven Raven is offline
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Default 1/2 KK

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, 2$ BB (9 handed) converter

Hero ($209.15)
MP3 ($198.85)
CO ($440.6)
Button ($187.25)
SB ($204.05)
BB ($312.25)
UTG ($361.8)
UTG+1 ($100.35)
MP1 ($51)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $20</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $13.

Flop: ($43) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $20</font>.

I dont have any read against my opponent, its his fisrt round on the table. How do you like ?
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Old 04-07-2005, 07:04 PM
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Default Re: 1/2 KK

So if you aren't afraid of the ace on the flop, and you aren't afraid that he has AA, why not just push PF?

I don't like it because what do you do on the turn if he just calls. You are inflating a pot with a lone pair after being re-raised PF and the only scare card came on the flop. That is a combo of a lot of uncomfortable things for me.

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Old 04-07-2005, 09:08 PM
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Default Re: 1/2 KK

I dont like 3-betting KK preflop in NL, you will usually have action only by AA, and if I just call I will get a lot more action from QQ and JJ later. On the flop I just didnt want to be bluff by QQ or JJ so I decided to bet out and concede the hand if Im called. If he have QQ or JJ he will have a hard time to call me. I could be wrong, thats why Im posting it.
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Old 04-07-2005, 09:17 PM
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Default Re: 1/2 KK

I understand your problems with the PF 3-bet, but now you are out of position with very little clue what your opponent holds. How about a 3-bet to 60 PF? That will result in a push from AA, to which you can safely fold, a fold from lots of other hands like AK-AJs, and a call from other non-AA premium pairs. This might clear up his holdings, while giving you some serious initiative. Though any call PF from a re-raise is suspect, since he could call with AA and let you bet into him. That being conceded, I still like a 3-bet PF here.

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Old 04-07-2005, 09:21 PM
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Default Re: 1/2 KK

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I dont like 3-betting KK preflop in NL,

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OOP you need to get over that....right away.
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Old 04-07-2005, 09:35 PM
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Default Re: 1/2 KK

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I dont like 3-betting KK preflop in NL,

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OOP you need to get over that....right away.

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Why?
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Old 04-07-2005, 09:40 PM
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Bc sometimes against some opponents its optimal to 3 bet it PF OOP.

Hey, thats just my opinion.
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Old 04-07-2005, 09:51 PM
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Default Re: 1/2 KK

Ciaffone say something about not 3-betting KK with 100 bb stacks in his book p.16. Maybe against bad players its better to three bet it ?
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Old 04-07-2005, 09:53 PM
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Default Re: 1/2 KK

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I dont like 3-betting KK preflop in NL,

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OOP you need to get over that....right away.

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Why?

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for this reason? it doesn't ALWAYS have to be done but you have to admit that you can't be AFRAID to do it.
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Old 04-07-2005, 09:55 PM
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I dont like 3-betting KK preflop in NL, you will usually have action only by AA

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OOP it's worth revealing info about your hand to get info about your opponents in what could be a big pot.
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