1-2NL Tropicana, I told Him To CHOP!!

[King Elliot]

ive been playing about 4 hours and decide its time for a table change, its my first hand at the table and i get KQo. small blind calls and i offer a chop.( opportunities for chops are extremely rare as far as ive seen there, meaning they rarely occur at such a small blind structure) he VEHEMENTLY denies my preposal and i proceed to act angry and bet a cool $25, he smooth calls. Flop comes

K74 rainbow

he checks at which i proceed to bet $36 , i played this hand feeling as though i had the best of it, yet tried to make him believe i was stealing.. he thinks for a second and moves all in, another $210 i think for a second and call, still positive i had the best of it....he turns over 1010 and my kings hold up [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] any one else have any stories of bad beats either way in a proposed chopped pot...i cant get enough of them

[Woody09]

What was the purpose of chopping? you both get your blinds back? If so i don't see the problem with him refusing. explain the point of this to me if you would.

Obviously, pushing after the K over card is not the brightest, but I guess you induced that with your offer. kind of under handed in my opinion

[Voltron87]

If he refuses your chop and goes all in, and you call, most of the time you lose money.

[neuroman]

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kind of under handed in my opinion

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Eh, I don't really think so. For all he knows, the SB had J9o or some other marginal hand he felt like completing. If I was in the SB with something like that I'd happily chop. The way it turned out was a beautiful psych play.

[King Elliot]

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What was the purpose of chopping? you both get your blinds back?

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yes, both players receive their blinds back and the buttons moves...its a courtesy type thing that most players do ...my theory on these pots when its bb vs sb and a chop is proposed that one of two things are going to happen....you're either gonna win a small pot, or lose a big one....ive played against this player many times and he knows this...i dont believe he would limp with aa-qq or ak..i like playing like this when a person denies my proposed chop..if you catch a big hand, you can really break someone by playing it aggressively and acting angered throuhgout the pot...as i did here....i was glad with him folding there but if he should raise i was interested to see how much... all-in was a very obscure bet for the situation considering i offered a chop to him...he clearly believed that i was angry and was trying to take him off his hand... do you see where my thinking is?...

[CMP]

Most places, no flop = no drop

There was just a post in another thread about 2 blinds getting all-in, having the same hand at the river, and splitting the pot, but a) they were risking $200 each to win the $4 in blinds that were out there, and b) they split, but since the pot was technically $400, the house took the $4 in blinds as rake - so they both lost.

MP

[Beerfund]

Playing at Casino AZ, 6-12 I think, I was BB and it was folded around to older guy in SB who completed. I dont remember what hand I had but asked him if he wanted to chop and he gave me a crazy confused look and said "Nawww you take it" and then tossed his cards in the muck. It was dead silent as the dealer pushed me the $12. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[TheMetetron]

I've had that exact thing happen to me at $8/16 @ Bay 101.

[Photoc]

I had this happen to me in a 1/2 NL game in Vegas. I dont look until its my turn to act. This guy outright refused to chop when I asked him. I think he thought I was weak or something when I asked, but I hadn't looked yet. So he decided to be a jerk and says "I'm all in!". I look down, check my cards, smile and say...ok, I call.

He's like...WTF. He has rags, and I'm holding AA [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] To top it off, someone asked to see his cards (not me) and it was like J9 or something. I flopped a set btw...lol

Needless to say, next time we were in that situation, he came out and said "I CHOP!!" LOL, the table almost lost it.

[Spook]

he probably did this because he felt embarrased that he didn't offer to chop before completing.

I think one of the reasons people offer to chop is to get everyone onto the next hand and not appear that they are trying to win money playing poker.