Fresh off Entity's post...

atnels · #1 04-05-2005, 09:37 PM

Shortly after reading Entity's post and thinking about calling in large pots....

This table is a dream. After playing at Absolute with the weak-tight crowd for ~2000 hands, coming back to Party is a nice change. Loose passives everywhere.

No read on CO, just sat down. BB is a calling station if there ever was one.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.5.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO (poster) checks, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 3-bets, MP1 calls, CO calls, Hero caps, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Standard. Everyone here cold calls and cold calls, plus UTG+1 is short stacked so I figured he could be blowing through chips for no reason.

Flop: (20.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG+1 raises, MP1 folds, CO calls, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, CO calls.

Again, standard I think. I'll take this flop. Again, I don't put much stock in UTG+1's raise so I figure I'll reraise. If I'm currently behind I like my outs with all the money being poured in by what are likely drawing dead hands.

Turn: (15.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, CO calls, Hero calls.

For some reason, when BB bet out I felt like I was behind, either to a made flush or a set. I hadn't seen any bets or raises from BB in 80 hands. So I call.

River: (18.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)

BB bets, CO raises, Hero calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 18.75 BB

With Entity's post fresh in my head, I cold called this, something I would normally not do. BB only had 0.25 left at this point, so I wasn't worried about BB reraising and having it capped behind me.

Does anyone else fold this here, or is there justification for calling given the decent pot?

scotty34 · #2 04-05-2005, 09:47 PM

I am folding here no questions. There has been a ton of action, there is a 3-flush and 3 to a straight on the board. CO just woke up on the river. You are getting ~8:1 on your call. Not a chance you are good often enough.

istewart · #3 04-05-2005, 09:47 PM

Where did UTG+1 go?

atnels · #4 04-05-2005, 09:51 PM

He was all-in when he called my flop re-raise. The converter was being a little screwy - sorry.

I'm not saying that you wouldn't be good more than 1/8 times to justify the call, but what odds would you want in a situation like this to call?

istewart · #5 04-05-2005, 09:53 PM

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I am folding here no questions. There has been a ton of action, there is a 3-flush and 3 to a straight on the board. CO just woke up on the river. You are getting ~8:1 on your call. Not a chance you are good often enough.

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21.75:2 on your call, actually. I still don't think you're good often enough when CO wakes up.

scotty34 · #6 04-05-2005, 09:59 PM

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River: (18.75 BB) 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)

BB bets, CO raises, Hero calls, BB calls.

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It appears there was a converter screw up, but from this, Hero is calling 2BB cold with 15.75BB in the pot.

istewart · #7 04-05-2005, 10:01 PM

What? How? The pot is 18.75BB on the river, and there's three more bets in front of him.

atnels · #8 04-05-2005, 10:03 PM

At the time, I thought I was getting better than 10:1, which seems correct because I recall the final pot was like $23-25 (23-25BB).

scotty34 · #9 04-05-2005, 10:04 PM

Errr this is what I meant to post

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BB bets, CO raises, Hero calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 18.75 BB

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This does show a converter error, but even so, Hero is getting 21.75:2 or ~11:1 which, IMO, isn't near good enough. Plus there is the possibility of it being raised behind him.

atnels · #10 04-05-2005, 10:06 PM

No, because BB was all in to call CO's raise - sorry about my conversion errors, but like I said in my original post one of the factors I used in calling was knowing I would be closing the action.