TT against an atypical 10/20er

Evan · #1 04-02-2005, 05:04 PM

SB's stats are 29/9, so he's a relative rock in this game

Button is an absolute fucktard who's accomplishments for the day include capping Q6s UTG and cold calling.....a lot of cold calling. He's the reason I'm at this table.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, Button calls, SB 3-bets, BB calls, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero raises, Button calls, SB 3-bets, BB calls, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (12 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero......

Alobar · #2 04-02-2005, 05:12 PM

yucky....I suppose if I were good I'd find the fold button...but im not good, so I dunno what I do [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Unless the SB is aggro hes got to be on an overpair, I dont think hed 3bet the flop with just overs (and if he would, the turn fucks you anyway). So will he 3 bet from the SB PF with 77 88 or 99? Maybe, but given that it isnt HU even if you are ahead (which will only be a small percentage of the time) im guessing there is anywhere from 5 to 20 outs against you, so you will still lose on the river alot as well.

yeah, I fold.

joker122 · #3 04-02-2005, 05:17 PM

with a 9% pfr i don´t think 99-77 are plausible. he´d much more likely just call with these hands. i don´t really see what´s hard about folding this turn. you have a read, use it.

when did you start 10\20, and how´s it going?

chio · #4 04-02-2005, 05:21 PM

i say raise, intending to not put any more money into the pot unless you hit a T. even if SB is tight, you still beat 77-99, and TT-QQ might fold to a turn raise. both of these probabilities are low, but you're getting 7-1 on your raise even as a pure bluff

Evan · #5 04-02-2005, 05:22 PM

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when did you start 10\20, and how´s it going?

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I played 10/20 for a while in January and February, it didn't go very well. I just started playing it again today, 187 hands @ 8 BB/100 so far...so I guess it's going well. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

chio · #6 04-02-2005, 05:27 PM

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with a 9% pfr i don´t think 99-77 are plausible. he´d much more likely just call with these hands. i don´t really see what´s hard about folding this turn. you have a read, use it

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i agree with all this, except in this case the pot is too big, so i start thinking otherwise. and i think raise is better than call

Schneids · #7 04-02-2005, 05:38 PM

I think you'll have easier decisions the rest of the way if you cap the flop.

joker122 · #8 04-02-2005, 05:44 PM

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I think you'll have easier decisions the rest of the way if you cap the flop

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i don´t really see why. he´ll still call down with JJ and QQ. sure, he´ll lead the turn with AA\KK and you can fold, but i feel comfortable folding the turn unimproved when he 3bets the flop, thus saving a SB. for me, the read evan has changes everything.

Schneids · #9 04-02-2005, 05:55 PM

If you cap and he leads the turn it's much easier to fold.

Likewise you can always check the river if your flop cap slowed him down on the turn.

joker122 · #10 04-02-2005, 06:05 PM

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If you cap and he leads the turn it's much easier to fold.

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of course it´s easier, but i think it´s made easy enough by his 3bet, so a cap isn´t needed. i guess this is just a subjective part of the hand, and we´ll have to agree to disagree.