What Do We Think of This?

sthief09 · #1 04-01-2005, 07:59 PM

hand from my OIC I feel like if I'm goign to raise the turn and fold, I should just call instead and see a showdown.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 4 folds, MP1 caps, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (4.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 bets, Hero raises, MP1 3-bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB

MarkL444 · #2 04-01-2005, 08:01 PM

nice.

uw_madtown · #3 04-01-2005, 08:10 PM

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if I'm goign to raise the turn and fold, I should just call instead and see a showdown.

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You've got it.

Myself, I'd still end up calling down I think. I call down too much in the wrong places though.

private joker · #4 04-01-2005, 08:15 PM

At 10/20 or 15/30 this might be a good fold (never played there, but going off of hand posts). At 2/4 this is often an overplayed AQ. Also, against KJ (unlikely given his PF action, I know), you have outs to fill up.

But I've seen people cap AQ before, and I've also seen them 3-bet AK on this turn. If they're maniacs.

gaming_mouse · #5 04-01-2005, 08:17 PM

after the two checks, he might easily see your turn raise as a bluff, and play AK this way. This is even more likely if he's picked up on your aggression and thought he could get in a c/r on the flop or turn if you had KK or JJ (not smart thinking, but I could see it). I'll grant that QQ or AA is more likely, though, so I don't think this is terrible. But I'd rather see a showdown.

sthief09 · #6 04-01-2005, 08:24 PM

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At 10/20 or 15/30 this might be a good fold (never played there, but going off of hand posts). At 2/4 this is often an overplayed AQ. Also, against KJ (unlikely given his PF action, I know), you have outs to fill up.

But I've seen people cap AQ before, and I've also seen them 3-bet AK on this turn. If they're maniacs.

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I think you're right. so raise and call a 3-bet or clal call?

sthief09 · #7 04-01-2005, 08:25 PM

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after the two checks, he might easily see your turn raise as a bluff, and play AK this way. This is even more likely if he's picked up on your aggression and thought he could get in a c/r on the flop or turn if you had KK or JJ (not smart thinking, but I could see it). I'll grant that QQ or AA is more likely, though, so I don't think this is terrible. But I'd rather see a showdown.

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at the time I was figuring the pot was small enough that I could make a fold

gaming_mouse · #8 04-01-2005, 08:29 PM

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at the time I was figuring the pot was small enough that I could make a fold

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and you're right, it kinda is. like i said, i don't think your line is too bad, just not ideal.

as to your question to joker: If you want to raise, how about raising on the river?

chief444 · #9 04-01-2005, 08:30 PM

Against the typical 2/4 player, I think this is pretty bad. Just call down as you said. The preflop cap flop check is either something like JJ,KK, AQ (or even KQs or 99 a very small percentage of the time) or AA/QQ. Against all but AQ this line is worse than calling down.

sthief09 · #10 04-01-2005, 08:36 PM

I think raising the river is worse. it costs me an extra bet if I'm raised