5/10 nl, two "who played it worse" hands

RunningSixes · #1 04-01-2005, 03:36 PM

These are a couple hands i observed over the last two days. Whose play do you like and what would you do differently?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter

BB ($1000)
UTG ($1182)
UTG+1 ($2520.8)
MP1 ($1082)
MP2 ($2375.5)
MP3 ($990)
CO ($1042.25)
Button ($499.25)
SB ($815.5)

BB just flopped the nut straight on the previous hand, got all in vs 2 pair and lost. So he may be on tilt. SB is somewhat loose passive. UTG is tight passive.

BB has 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG has 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
SB has 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Preflop:
UTG calls $10, UTG+1 calls $10, 4 folds, Button calls $10, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets $25, BB raises to $100, UTG calls $100, UTG+1 folds, Button folds, SB calls $75.

Turn: ($350) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $890 (All-In), UTG calls $890, SB calls $705.50 (All-In).

River: ($2835.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $2835.50

Outcome: SB wins $2466.50. UTG wins $369.

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter

CO ($3016.75)
Button ($975)
SB ($689)
BB ($246)
UTG ($1000)
UTG+1 ($1259)
MP1 ($945)
MP2 ($4062.75)
MP3 ($1433.75)

UTG just joined the table and is apparently retarded because he just posted UTG. UTG+1 has only been at the table for ~5 hands and has just shown down AK and AA. All players are fairly new to each other though.

BB has Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG has A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG+1 has J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
MP1 has Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Preflop:
UTG posts a blind of $10.
UTG (poster) checks, UTG+1 raises to $35, MP1 calls $35, 5 folds, BB calls $25, UTG calls $25.

Flop: ($145) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $142, UTG+1 calls $142, MP1 calls $142, BB raises to $211 (All-In), , UTG calls $69, UTG+1 calls $69, MP1 calls $69.

Turn: ($989) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
UTG bets $754 (All-In), , UTG+1 calls $754, MP1 calls $699 (All-In).

River: ($3196) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players, 3 all-in)

Final Pot: $3196

Outcome: MP1 wins $3086. UTG+1 wins $110.

LuvDemNutz · #2 04-01-2005, 03:48 PM

My hand 1 award award goes to BB who obviously doesn't understand the concept of making bets that will only get called by better hands.

Hand 2 - you would initially think BB but he was shortstacked so I can't fault him for sticking his chips in there with two pair after the pot was already very big.

UTG+1's raise with AJo is ugly but certainly not the worst play of this hand.

MP1's call is pretty bad since if he stopped to think he was drawing to at best 10 outs but most likely only 4 outs. Even with 10 outs he wasn't getting proper odds to call.

But I think the worst play has to go to UTG blasting all-in with top-two on a very, very ugly board after his flop bet got called in 3 spots. That was bad.

swolfe · #3 04-01-2005, 04:07 PM

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But I think the worst play has to go to UTG blasting all-in with top-two on a very, very ugly board after his flop bet got called in 3 spots. That was bad.

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also, for posting UTG to begin with...

LuvDemNutz · #4 04-01-2005, 04:12 PM

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But I think the worst play has to go to UTG blasting all-in with top-two on a very, very ugly board after his flop bet got called in 3 spots. That was bad.

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LOL - serves him right for not having the patience to wait a hand.

also, for posting UTG to begin with...

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RunningSixes · #5 04-01-2005, 04:15 PM

Ok, im going to add a bonus question now, for the player who played it worse, how do you play it differently?

LuvDemNutz · #6 04-01-2005, 04:29 PM

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Ok, im going to add a bonus question now, for the player who played it worse, how do you play it differently?

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OK - I'll do Hand 2 now and Hand 1 later.

There are two approaches I might've taken as UTG. One would've been to reraise PF and try to take it down right there. I like AKs but I'm not a huge fan of it OOP multi-way. Reverse implied odds or something like that. So if I'm feeling frisky I might reraise. The problem is since I was a dumass and I posted UTG, my opponents might put me on a steal and decide to call me so, in this particular instance their fold equity is lower than it might otherwise be if I limp-reraised.

So given that, I think I would smooth call the raise and see a flop. When the flop comes, yeah I'm happy to see top pair! But, unfortunately for me the board is hella coordinated with cards that either give my opponents strong draws or hands that dominate my TPTK.

So depending on my reads I would do one of two things - 1)put out a feeler bet to see where I'm at - announce to the field that I have at least a King and see what happens or 2) check and see how the action develops - if a bet comes from an LP player then mayber I checkraise and try to get it heads up. If UTG+1 bets, the next guy raises and the next guy pushes, well I can fold my pair and not think twice about it.

BTW - if UTG was you, I apologize for calling you a dumass.