Sometimes, I know when to fold 'em....

Ghazban · #1 03-31-2005, 06:59 PM

Party 1/2 full ring, only 6 seated at the moment. I have ~$220 and 76o in the BB.

MP($210) calls, then button ($62) minraises to $4. I call and MP calls

Flop ($13) A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I check, MP checks, Button bets $8. I raise to $25. MP calls, button pushes, and I turbomuck.

Comments? I've deliberately left out my reasons for both the check/raise and muck; I'm sure some, if not all, readers will figure them out.

tbach24 · #2 03-31-2005, 07:13 PM

Leading would've been bad because on that board, it's a sure way to get action when you lead. A c/r is good, especially against the button, because there's a good chance you could take it down. Your muck is obviously because you didn't have pot odds.

Ghazban · #3 03-31-2005, 07:18 PM

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Your muck is obviously because you didn't have pot odds.

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Nope. The rest of your post is more or less correct, though.

tbach24 · #4 03-31-2005, 07:19 PM

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Your muck is obviously because you didn't have pot odds.

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Nope, the rest of your post is more or less correct though

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Didn't notice he was so short. My bad. Meta-game reasons?
Nope. The rest of your post is more or less correct, though.

Edit- messed up with quoting, etc.

Ghazban · #5 03-31-2005, 07:20 PM

Not metagame reasons, either.

tbach24 · #6 03-31-2005, 07:23 PM

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Not metagame reasons, either.

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Okay, now I'm curious. What's the reason? Misclick?

tbach24 · #7 03-31-2005, 07:34 PM

MP2s overcall I guess. Do you think it's worth it to see if he'll continue slowplaying/drawing?

ScottTheFish · #8 03-31-2005, 07:34 PM

I'm guessing you mucked because MP's smooth call of your raise is a big hand and you can be pretty sure he is coming over the top of the short stack's all-in.

Ghazban · #9 04-01-2005, 10:30 AM

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I'm guessing you mucked because MP's smooth call of your raise is a big hand and you can be pretty sure he is coming over the top of the short stack's all-in.

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This is almost perfect. MP's call screams set to me (maybe two pair, but probably a set) and he's going to get it all-in over the top on the flop or maybe on a non-club turn-- I'm screwed either way.

MP3's smooth call by itself doesn't bother me and here's why: If button folds, I'm playing a fairly large pot against another player with a decent sized stack who's basically turned his cards face up. Now I can bluff-push any club turn and probably win (which I can't do if button is all-in) or push any turn that makes my straight and get paid off.

However, with both button and MP in the hand, I can no longer bluff at clubs (because I'm just not good enough to bluff somebody who's all-in out of the pot) and I can only win with my straight. So instead of 14 outs for the turn (have to discount the club that pairs the board as bluffing that card would be retarded), I have only 8 and no possibility of picking up the pot with a bluff.

Results in white: <font color="white"> Button had AKo, MP had 55, the turn was a club and the river paired the board-- my straight wouldn't have gotten there. </font>

Bongo · #10 04-01-2005, 12:29 PM

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MP's call screams set to me...
Now I can bluff-push any club turn and probably win.

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Do you have a good read on this guy? Will he dump a set? I find it hard to knock out a top pair. He'll be thinking along these lines: "he's probably bluffing and even if he isn't I have 10 outs". Or he'll think you have an A. Even if he knows he's beaten he might have fallen in love with his hand.