QQ hand. Giving a free card,checking w/ outs or inducing a bluff?

[Barry]

This one sparked a little discussion with another 2+2'er at the table. As usual Party 15/30

I have Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in MP.

2 folds, EP raises (Villian is a LAG 42/15/1.5 for the PT types), I 3 bet, folded to EP who calls.

Flop is KJT all [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]'s

Check, bet, call.

Turn is 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

check, I check

River is 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Bet, call.

[dankhank]

only reason not to bet the turn is if you seriously fear a check-raise. if he calls the turn you can just check the river if you don't feel good about your hand then.

and of course you have to raise this river.

[Senor Choppy]

I like betting the turn, but don't hate checking.

I don't get the river call. I doubt this type of opponent would check-call with a royal draw on the flop. If he was tighter, you might not get a call from a worse hand by raising, but this guy is probably paying off with any piece of the board.

[BigSkiRace]

If I am wrong can some one please why my logic is wrong on this I would, bet, 3 bet the flop. Bet turn if I get raised I 3 bet, bet river, call raise. Im firing with the amount of outs I have, on every street

[Barry]

On the flop, he checked, I bet, he called.

[stoxtrader]

you made the second nut flush and only called vs an aggressive player?

I think there is value in a river raise.

[philnewall]

Given that you checked the turn, raising the river seems mandatory. Bet the turn, you've just got so many possibilities working for you that a check-raised isn't something to massively fear, although it might be ok if the pot was smaller.

[AviD]

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This one sparked a little discussion with another 2+2'er at the table. As usual Party 15/30

I have Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in MP.

2 folds, EP raises (Villian is a LAG 42/15/1.5 for the PT types), I 3 bet, folded to EP who calls.

Flop is KJT all [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]'s

Check, bet, call.

Turn is 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

check, I check

River is 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Bet, call.

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Barry I haven't read any responses...but I think I bet this turn, call a raise and raise the spade river but call otherwise.

You have a LAG who could is playing a wide range of hands here, and will call a turn bet (at least) with any spade. When he bets the river, and the spade gets there...why in the world would you not raise? Fine, he *could* have the A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] but he could also have any other spade that he will certainly call with and he isn't re-raising without the A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] unless he is smart enough to bluff re-raise to get a weaker spade to fold (in which case I'm not folding, and probably still not folding to his re-raise anyway being that he is LAG).

As it played out, I think the river is an easy raise as you'll get called by any spade.

But again, I'd bet my royal straight/flush draw on the turn and call a raise, then pop a spade river. I just feel like this hand was played weakly.

Now I'll read some other responses, and wait on your follow-up reasoning! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[MaxPower]

Given his style of play there is no reason to think that you are behind on the turn and if you are you have a ton of outs. I would bet. You might even get check-raise by a worse hand.

On the other hand, the pot is small so checking is not so bad.

[Boris]

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On the other hand, the pot is small so checking is not so bad.

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Wouldn't the fact that the pot is small make you more inclined to bet? I mean it's a bigger mistake for a weaker hand to call when the pot is small; so why not bet?