How do I keep this from happening?

bluesbassman · #1 03-27-2005, 10:39 AM

How do I keep from getting sucked-out by (fellow) fish? Here are two of the most recent examples at the $11 SnG buy-in at Stars. I guess I should make a full pot-sized bet (or more?) on the flop? I know, I know, once I got called on my turn bets I should have shut it down (especially when the 3rd club came on the first hand), but it's just too tempting to keep going since at this buy-in they will often call to the river with just a pair.

I've found the few times when I've play the higher buy-ins ($33+) I seem to do much better, since the table isn't just calling everything with any two cards. This has been happening a lot and is very frustrating...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

Button (t1500)
SB (t1500)
Hero (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls t20, 4 folds, CO calls t20, Button calls t20, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t100) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t60, UTG folds, CO calls t60, Button folds, SB folds.

Turn: (t220) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t200, CO calls t200.

River: (t620) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t600, CO calls t600.

Final Pot: t1820

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kd Js (three of a kind, kings).
CO has 5c 7c (flush, ace high).
Outcome: CO wins t1820. 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (7 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

Button (t1745)
SB (t1310)
BB (t3925)
UTG (t1245)
Hero (t1325)
MP2 (t1335)
CO (t2615)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to t90, 4 folds, BB calls t60.

Flop: (t195) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t120, BB calls t120.

Turn: (t435) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t390, BB calls t390.

River: (t1215) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t725 (All-In), BB calls t725.

Final Pot: t2665

Results in white below: 
BB has 3h Ac (three of a kind, threes).
Hero has Qc Qd (two pair, queens and threes).
Outcome: BB wins t2665.

Rolen · #2 03-27-2005, 10:45 AM

You prevent yourself getting sucked out on the first one by folding it pre-flop. The second is pretty much unavoidable

Baloosh · #3 03-27-2005, 10:48 AM

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You prevent yourself getting sucked out on the first one by folding it pre-flop. The second is pretty much unavoidable

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He was BB in the first hand. You're saying he should muck as his option, when the action comes to him unraised?

bluesbassman · #4 03-27-2005, 10:49 AM

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You prevent yourself getting sucked out on the first one by folding it pre-flop. The second is pretty much unavoidable

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You mean I should fold the BB even though nobody raised pre-flop??

Rolen · #5 03-27-2005, 11:17 AM

Oh, I do appologise, didn't look hard enough. Well in that case they're both long term +EV, so no problems.

ferb · #6 03-27-2005, 11:34 AM

"How do i keep this from happening?" Stop playing poker.

bluesbassman · #7 03-27-2005, 11:39 AM

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"How do i keep this from happening?" Stop playing poker.

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Perhaps I should re-phrase: "How should I adjust my betting patterns to minimize getting drawn out?"

Rolen · #8 03-27-2005, 11:46 AM

You shouldn't. Every time you get outdrawn, you win money. Your bankroll might not increace that day, or that month, or that year, but in the end the fact that your opponent had to get lucky to beat you shows up in winnings.