3-bet a river c/r?

shadow29 · #1 03-20-2005, 08:28 PM

I know nothing about SB.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB raises, UTG calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG raises, CO folds, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (9 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero caps, SB calls.

River: (19 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 23 BB

college_boy · #2 03-20-2005, 08:33 PM

I think you played it right. Three betting would be spewing chips.

jaxUp · #3 03-20-2005, 08:33 PM

it can't be too wrong wither way, but FWIW I would have done the same as you did.

shadow29 · #4 03-20-2005, 09:53 PM

anyone else

Dave G. · #5 03-20-2005, 10:08 PM

I would just call this as well. He might have a boat, he doesn't seem to care that he could be up against a flush.

keikiwai · #6 03-20-2005, 10:19 PM

I'm not sure, but you're behind 88, TT, or 8Ts, otherwise I don't see how else SB could have realistically got a boat. And TT is not so likely since he probably would have raised.

Compare this to the chance that he has K or Q high flush.

I think it would have to depend on your read, and since you don't have one calling seems ok. But I'm almost tempted to raise.....

results?

Peter.

shadow29 · #7 03-20-2005, 10:27 PM

results later, after some of the big guns have had their say.

Catt · #8 03-20-2005, 10:34 PM

Raise that pre-flop.

The hand looks different after that; but as you played it, I'd raise the flop -- no one ever believes you've flopped a flush and BB and UTG like their hands -- the only overcall you can hope for is from SB; raising the flop can screw you when everyone checks to you on a turn blank, but my view is that the upside of 3-betting this flop tends to outweigh calling with the intention of raising the turn.

I'd like to see how Villains react to the above line before I analyze the turn, but I'd be a little more shy about getting active on the turn if everyone came with me from the flop and lead into me on the turn after the board paired. As you played it, I would probably do the same on turn and river. Sucks with the river raise. Gotta worry about the SB special of 85 (or even quads). You don't have to worry about these hands (in most cases) if you raise pre-flop in these circumstances.

shadow29 · #9 03-20-2005, 10:37 PM

I guess I could live with raising pf.

I really disagree with raising the flop.

Catt · #10 03-20-2005, 10:45 PM

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I guess I could live with raising pf.

I really disagree with raising the flop.

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Raising the flop is less clear if you don't raise pre-flop -- I should have been clearer. Even with your line of not raising pre-flop, I think you're better off raising the flop.

In the absence of a raise pre-flop, colcalling this flop and then raising a turn blank is fishy fishy and screams flush. In this case you turned a nice card in the sense that the turn raise looks like you might be raising trips (and somone with Kx [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] is positively glowing at that point.

If you had 2 or 3 to act behind you, especially if one of those 2 or 3 was not an SB who only had to complete and then acted first by checking, I might like the call going for overcalls and popping the turn. As it is in your hand, the SB is the only possible overcaller, and if the SB flopped a lesser flush, he's not folding.