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Old 03-20-2005, 06:41 AM
NAU_Player NAU_Player is offline
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Default Flop top 2, but...

no specific reads, table is rather passive overall (wont raise AK preflop, etc.)

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (8 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(8 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Hero...

I'm sure we've all seen this dozens of times, what is the best line?
(raise pf? AQo is one of the more interesting hands to play preflop)
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Old 03-20-2005, 06:51 AM
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Default Re: Flop top 2, but...

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(raise pf? AQo is one of the more interesting hands to play preflop)

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It's not that interesting to me. I pretty much either raise or fold, with the occasional reraise in early position or call a raise in late position after some others have called.
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Old 03-20-2005, 08:07 AM
Dave G. Dave G. is offline
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Default Re: Flop top 2, but...

I'd raise preflop, and raise the flop as well. You want single clubs paying you off. I'd slow down to a 3-bet and try to get to the showdown cheaply.

If another [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or a J or K comes, I'm out, because you probably won't be getting the 10.5:1 you need to continue on the big streets. Also if there's lots of action on the turn it's probably safe to dump it.
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Old 03-20-2005, 08:17 AM
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Default Re: Flop top 2, but...

raise preflop. AQo is not an interesting PF hand, it's an autoraise everywhere. If someone else raises, *then* it gets interesting.

You should raise the flop here for sure, and because there are so many people to act behind, they'll all get odds with a club, so it's for value, not to protect [except for those who fold for 2 cold even with a big club]

I would think capping a 3-bet on the flop is a good idea - with all the big clubs out, and so many players in, someone with a lone K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [UTG+2?] may 3-bet for value here.

If the pot isn't 11BB on the turn AND a K, J or [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] falls i think you can release it. If they fall and it is, i guess you can continue and hope to fill up. If specifically the K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] falls that'll be interesting...
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Old 03-20-2005, 08:54 AM
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Default Re: Flop top 2, but...

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It's not that interesting to me. I pretty much either raise or fold, with the occasional reraise in early position or call a raise in late position after some others have called.

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That's interesting. Can you explain again when do you fold AQ PF in a 0.5/1 game?
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Old 03-20-2005, 08:59 AM
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Default Re: Flop top 2, but...

You are CO against 4 limpers and you don't raise PF? This is too weak or "fishy" as some ppl would like to call it.
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Old 03-20-2005, 10:40 AM
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Default Re: Flop top 2, but...

i assume the player means "fold" when it's raisedin front by a tight-passive raiser [or reraised/capped by a few players]. I can't see any reason to fold AQo unless those situations occur.
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Old 03-20-2005, 01:04 PM
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Default Re: Flop top 2, but...

raise pf with AQo.
raise on the flop.
if no clubs/K/T fall and hes still betting into you just call him down. its a horrible flop even though you have two pair but i dont think you will always have the worst of it.
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Old 03-20-2005, 02:11 PM
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Default Re: Flop top 2, but...

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That's interesting. Can you explain again when do you fold AQ PF in a 0.5/1 game?

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Usually when it's 3 cold to me, as well as a few situations when a tight player raises in EP and it's folded to me in LP. I don't like calling a 3-bet from the blinds, either.
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Old 03-20-2005, 04:22 PM
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Default Re: Flop top 2, but...

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AQo is one of the more interesting hands to play preflop

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... when you play really tough games. These games are not tough and you're missing out big by not raising it preflop.
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