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Old 03-20-2005, 03:48 AM
eastbay eastbay is offline
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Default HU Puzzle

10k chips, blinds 300/600.

What is the minimum stack for which you should ever consider folding any hand at all when put all-in?

(This is an easy one. Sort of.)

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Old 03-20-2005, 03:53 AM
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Default Re: HU Puzzle

I think its 1150 range?
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Old 03-20-2005, 03:54 AM
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I think its 1140 range?

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Based on what reasoning.

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Old 03-20-2005, 03:58 AM
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Default Re: HU Puzzle

Sorry this is wrong, I was thinking of something else. I was thinking smallest # of chips to fold from the SB. I have the K+S chart memorized and I know 32o is like 1.8x BB. Which would mean 1080-1100 remaining after posting.

Anyway this is completely different, I'll make an estimate of 1300-1400 remaining after posting. I didn't do any math so I can't be accused of cheating [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 03-20-2005, 06:43 AM
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Default Re: HU Puzzle

Well this is my stab at it:

Assume we are dealt 32o, our opponent moves all in
Let x in thousands be our chip count now

We assume we are a 2-1 dog, 33% to win

If we call our expectation of our chip count is 2x/3

If we fold, then next hand assume we are 50% to win when we push all in, our expectation of our chip count then is 1/2(x-1)2 which is just x-1

2x/3 > x - 1 --> x < 3

So my sketch guess is at least 3000.

Edit: If we're sure the opponent has us at 4:1 dog, is 20% to win, then the answer is 1.6k, but this isnt practical cos we cant reasonably assume that.
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Old 03-20-2005, 08:39 AM
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Default Re: HU Puzzle

1596?
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Old 03-20-2005, 10:14 AM
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Default Re: HU Puzzle

Intuition tells me its around 2500.

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Old 03-20-2005, 12:41 PM
ZeeJustin ZeeJustin is offline
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Default Re: HU Puzzle

Let's say you have a really tight opponent. He only plays aces. You have A2o. You don't need many chips at all before a fold is correct.

Edit: I should clarify that whatever the math shows as a 0 ev decision in this scenario is actually an easy fold. This is because once you rebuild up to enough chips to have any fold equity, you will run over your opponent. In other words, the weaker your opponent plays, the less likely you should be to take a +ev situation for all your chips.
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Old 03-20-2005, 12:44 PM
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Let's say you have a really tight opponent. He only plays aces.

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That's a pretty uninteresting assumption, IMO.

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Old 03-20-2005, 12:49 PM
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That's a pretty uninteresting assumption, IMO.

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You asked the question, not me. Perhaps you should try rephrasing to make the question somewhat interesting.
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