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Old 03-19-2005, 12:41 AM
Sixth_Rule Sixth_Rule is offline
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Default DId i play this like a fish??

Party 3/6

Hero has A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
in MP2

folded to Hero who raises, folded to Button who 3bets folded back to Hero who calls

Flop---> T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Hero Checks , Button bets , Hero raises , Button 3 bets , hero calls

Turn 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

hero checks,button bets, Hero calls
River A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

hero checks,button bets, Hero calls
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Old 03-19-2005, 01:03 AM
KidPokerX KidPokerX is offline
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Default Re: DId i play this like a fish??

This is a strictly read-dependent play. Does he have the J?
Well, has he been a quiet little rock, finally exposing himself ... or has he been a player known to 3-bet a draw or weak pair?
One thing you should remember (if you already don't) is that since you called his 3-bet, you thought there was a strong chance that you still had the best hand. Because of this, the turn did not scare you, and the river really should not scare you either (although he could have had KQ drawing to broadway).
I don't think the call down was a bad play. Although he missed his heart draw (if he was drawing), the river obviously didn't scare him since he bet at it. More often than not this means he has a J, but in theory it's strictly read dependent.
Nice post, I hope this is a start.

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Old 03-19-2005, 01:03 AM
ewile ewile is offline
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Default Re: DId i play this like a fish??

I vote not a fish. Opponent has shown constant aggression. You could be up against a higher PP and the river really screwed you if hes got AK.

Check call turn/r is OK here I think.
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Old 03-19-2005, 01:11 AM
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Default Re: DId i play this like a fish??

If we're ahead, we want to get the max from villian while minimizing his drawing odds. If we're behind, we want to avoid tying ourselves to the pot early by pumping chips in. I think this means leading out on the flop and just calling a raise. Re-evaluate on the turn, and of course incorporate whatever read(s) you have.

Personally, I think you're in big trouble when he 3-bets you on the flop. Not many hands he could be holding that you can beat there. Do you put him on an OESD? I doubt it -- Q9 and KQ are probably not going for 3 bets pre-flop, unless suited... and I doubt KsQs is three-betting the flop.

Overpairs have you cooked, as they may be freerolling on a backdoor flush, and your best hope is a straight on a paired flush board. One word: ugly. Slow down when he 3-bets, and bail unimproved on the turn. If you're gonna stay for the river, and find that ace, you may be good with aces up against villian's kings or queens up, though KQ has caught you on this card.
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Old 03-19-2005, 01:15 AM
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Default Re: DId i play this like a fish??

alternate option.... against the right player cap the flop, Bet out on the turn.

TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
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Old 03-19-2005, 01:20 AM
Sixth_Rule Sixth_Rule is offline
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he had Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

this had me baffled with the three bet
i think i should have let go on the turn
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Old 03-19-2005, 01:31 AM
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Default Re: DId i play this like a fish??

[ QUOTE ]
alternate option.... against the right player cap the flop, Bet out on the turn.

TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]

You better have a solid read to do this. 99% of the time I think capping the flop sucks donkey balls. He has position on you, and many hands he'll be playing here can easily draw out.
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Old 03-19-2005, 01:49 AM
KidPokerX KidPokerX is offline
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Default Re: DId i play this like a fish??

i agree. i would take TT's advice with a grain of salt. He is not thinking of a general concept, but rather a specific instance. If you want to win, stick to solid play, and deviate from there accordingly.
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Old 03-19-2005, 01:51 AM
KidPokerX KidPokerX is offline
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Rule #1: Results don't matter.

You could have not posted these results and the answers would be the same. Of course after you look at the hand do you kick yourself for not folding the turn, but poker isn't played like this. You do not have perfect information, therefore you must make the best play which will be the best play many times over. Please stop thinking like this as soon as possible.
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Old 03-19-2005, 01:58 AM
Luv2DriveTT Luv2DriveTT is offline
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[ QUOTE ]
i agree. i would take TT's advice with a grain of salt. He is not thinking of a general concept, but rather a specific instance. If you want to win, stick to solid play, and deviate from there accordingly.

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Agreed. It is an alternate option when you know your opponent's tendancies.
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