T8s in the BB

[Chris Daddy Cool]

2/4 party poker

unknowns all the way around.

utg raises. CC1, CC2, CC3. SB calls. I'm in the BB with T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and call. 6 to the flop for 12 small bets.

Flop: T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

SB checks. I bet. UTG raises. CC1 calls. CC2 3-bets. CC3 folds. SB folds. I call. UTG caps. CC1 calls. CC2 calls. 4 to the turn for 14 big bets.

Plan for the turn if a blank falls.
see what UTG and CC2 do. UTG has big pair. CC2 could have strong draw or a set or flopped straight. If UTG bets and CC2 just calls, I will checkraise. If UTG bets and CC2 raises I will fold.

Plan for a scary turn.
check and call a bet and fill up.

With me?

Turn: 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
I check. UTG bets. CC1 calls. CC2 calls. I checkraise. UTG calls. CC1 calls. CC2 calls. 4 to the river for 22 big bets.

River plan: bet out the blanks and fold to a raise.
If a 7 falls, check and see though pretty sure will fold.
If a club falls, check and see and probably call one bet.
If 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] falls, openfold.
If a 9 or 2 falls, checkfold.

River: 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Ok, thats a blank. I bet. UTG calls. CC1 raises. CC2 folds. I fold.

Thoughts?

[DMBFan23]

I'm not good enough to fold the river.

I like the hand up until that point. I think a stop and go to have villain raise out some more customers would have been cool on the turn IF you knew it would work, but there's no guarantee he'll raise the turn, and you have muchos equity at this point. cool checkraise.

[spydog]

Dude, are you really playing 2/4?

Call the river. Do you want the guy to flash AT and put you on tilt for a week?


ADVICE: Don't be making heroic folds at 2/4.

[rmarotti]

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If 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] falls, openfold.


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Sweet.

You don't think CC1 waking up on the river could be an even worse raggedy two pair? The pot is so huge I cant see why you fold here barring some incredible reads which you haven't given us. I'm curious to hear your justification for this line.

If I had to guess I'd say that CC1 called multiple bets multiple times so he either flopped a monster or a monster draw. When he has you and UTG already in for a bet on the river and raises it seems like he in fact flopped a monster, let y'all bet it for him, but realizes he can probably get more out of you two than letting CC2 overcall.
Am I close? And if I am then I might be willing to admit this is a good fold.

[Nick C]

That certainly was one lengthy slowplay by CC1, if that's what he was doing throughout the hand.

Like DMBFan23, I'm not good enough to make the river fold. But CC1 does appear to like his hand, if he's willing to raise with three players still in even after you checkraised the turn.

[Fat Nicky]

well, CC1 called down all the way, really didn't show any aggression the entire hand until the river where a blank fell...i'm inclined to call this strange river raise, especially since it's unlikely there will be no more raises behind me.

[chief444]

I'd certainly expect a slowplayed straight. But it wouldn't shock me if an unknown 2/4 player turned over T3 or something.

[rmarotti]

CC1 didn't need to show any agression till the river (I think.)

Do you see why?
(serious question)

[Fat Nicky]

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CC1 didn't need to show any agression till the river (I think.)

Do you see why?
(serious question)

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my guess would be a slowplayed straight, or maybe even a set where he waited for safe cards to fall to raise...

[QTip]

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But it wouldn't shock me if an unknown 2/4 player turned over T3 or something.

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I've seen this with enough frequency at this level to make this a call almost always. Someone misses their draw and decides to make a desperate shot at this huge pot. No way I'm folding.