Fold the River? 3 examples

party36master · #1 03-15-2005, 11:44 PM

One of the things I've been working on lately is my river play, specifically trying to follow SSHE advice and not fold the river to one bet.

What do you think of these hands?

Hand 1: I suppose my pre-flop call was borderline, but the table had been rather loose. CO had been going to showdown quite a bit, but I didn't have a lot of hands w/him. I think I like the river call, your thoughts?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero calls, 4 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, CO calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (3.66 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, CO calls, UTG folds.

River: (5.66 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7.66 BB

Hand 2: MP2 is a bit loose and wild, but the pot is too big to fold the river, right?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, SB calls, BB folds, MP2 3-bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

River: (11.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, SB folds.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB

Hand 3: Here I'm fairly certain I'm dead, but is he bluffing more than 8% of the time....

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 4 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (6.33 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.16 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, MP2 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (11.16 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.16 BB

Shillx · #2 03-15-2005, 11:50 PM

Hand 1: Yeah the call is fine, but why did you check the river to begin with? You should be betting this river 100% of the time for value. OOP you need to bet more hands against scary river cards because you allow weak payoff hands to take a free showdown when you check.

Brad

party36master · #3 03-16-2005, 09:16 AM

bump

Chris Daddy Cool · #4 03-16-2005, 09:26 AM

hand 1 fold preflop. bet the river.

hand 2 i could see a river fold.

hand 3 you are probably beat here but i'd call down.

afk · #5 03-16-2005, 10:01 AM

Hand one I think you should fold preflop, but since you didn't you should bet this river every time.

Hand two I'm not entirely sure what I'd do in this hand. I don't think you played it horribly, but I do think you're toast a lot of the time.

Hand three I think is ok. If I had a good read and an amazing ability to fold to turn 3 bets then I might fold the turn. He's not bluffing, unless he bluff raised the flop and bluff 3bet your turn c/r.

br549007 · #6 03-16-2005, 10:21 AM

#1 fold pre flop..#2 fold to turn bet #3 cap turn and cap river

Fat Nicky · #7 03-16-2005, 11:12 AM

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#3 cap turn and cap river

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please don't do this.

young nut · #8 03-16-2005, 03:16 PM

#1 - fold it PF, but otherwise bet the river (unless you were trying to induce a bluff?) But I would just go ahead and bet it.

#2 - I think you can lay this one down on the turn pretty easily.

#3 - Either fold to the 3 bet, or call down. I would probably have to call down w/out a strong read.

meep_42 · #9 03-16-2005, 03:23 PM

Why are you c/r hand 3? Do you want QJ to slow down? Check/call the turn, bet the river - decide based on read what to do to a river raise.

-d

spydog · #10 03-16-2005, 05:06 PM

Hand 3: Why raise the turn? Do you want him to fold QJ or something worse than TPTK? Call the turn bet and raise the river unless it's a diamond, jack, or 8.