Limping along in live 4/8 game

GreywolfNYC · #1 03-15-2005, 04:22 PM

Playing in a NYC cardroom that I haven't been in before. Only had about 2 hours to play so I took a seat in their 4/8 game.
One other very solid 2+2er who was not involved in this hand. A couple of decent players and the rest are, well, donkeys.
UTG limps, three others follow, I limp in the CO with Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. The button folds, the SB folds, and the BB raises. (N.B. The BB here was the biggest donator at the table). We all call and 6 see the flop.
Flop comes A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
The BB bets, UTG calls, the other three drop.
What's my play here and why?

sean c · #2 03-15-2005, 04:24 PM

If he is a passive donkey you raise for the free card.

meep_42 · #3 03-15-2005, 04:25 PM

Raise for a free card?

-d

QTip · #4 03-15-2005, 04:26 PM

I would raise here

equity value with at least 2 other opponents and the chance for a "free" card. Being 3 bet would suck...but it's worth a shot in my opinion.

chief444 · #5 03-15-2005, 04:30 PM

It's a rarity in a live low limit game that I don't raise a flush draw in position.

noneckdude · #6 03-15-2005, 04:33 PM

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If he is a passive donkey you raise for the free card.

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Argus · #7 03-15-2005, 04:33 PM

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Raise for a free card?

-d

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Raise for value. Take the free card if you can and you miss.

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Being 3 bet would suck...but it's worth a shot in my opinion.

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Why? Maybe the rake is so large live that this isn't for value, but I would cap with a nutflush draw.

meep_42 · #8 03-15-2005, 04:36 PM

Isn't the value very close with only 2 callers? (Also, consider the times that it's 3-bet to the middle player and he folds -- or one of them has 2-pair/set and redraws against your flush.)

-d

QTip · #9 03-15-2005, 04:44 PM

I'm considering it, which is why I said a 3 bet would suck.

I think the edge is icing on the cake anyway...the free card is the true value.

The bonus could also be info...a 3 bet probably does mean the set or 2 pair.

sean c · #10 03-15-2005, 04:52 PM

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Isn't the value very close with only 2 callers? (Also, consider the times that it's 3-bet to the middle player and he folds -- or one of them has 2-pair/set and redraws against your flush.)

-d

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I agree the rake kills the small edge we have mixed in with possible redraws its a free card play. If three bet do you capp to try for the free card? Also if BB is such a donk I doubt you'll lose the other player.