is this turn play correct

Big Folder · #1 03-14-2005, 01:07 PM

Very loose table, but no read on the BB-villian

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls, CO (poster) checks, Button calls, 1 fold, BB raises, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls, CO folds, Button calls.

Is this still a fold pf? I figured with 3 limpers in front of me, a poster and loose blinds I should see a large field

Flop: (13.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
BB bets, UTG folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero raises, Button folds, BB calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (10.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Was this turn bet correct or should I have tried to see the river for one bet. I figured I could have the best hand here with top pair Kings along with my flush draw and 5 outs to improve on my pair it was worth raising. is this correct in this spot?

River: (16.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 19.25 BB

davelin · #2 03-14-2005, 01:10 PM

I'd like to be in better position when limping in with this hand but whatever. I'd just call the turn.

einbert · #3 03-14-2005, 01:17 PM

I think you should just call the turn. You would have to call if BB 3-bets and you really don't have any hand that you have to protect against.

You also want to be bet into on the river if you make your flush.

adsman · #4 03-14-2005, 01:18 PM

The BB was the pf-raiser, so his stop and go on the turn probably means that your King by itself is no good and that you need to make your flush to win. With that in mind I just call the turn.

Firefly · #5 03-14-2005, 01:30 PM

Call the turn mate. PF is okay, definately borderline but it's probally not huge either way. The BB betting and the 3 broadway cards are telling you that you need to probally hit your flush.

bottomset · #6 03-14-2005, 01:35 PM

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I think you should just call the turn. You would have to call if BB 3-bets and you really don't have any hand that you have to protect against.

You also want to be bet into on the river if you make your flush.

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DoctorDrew · #7 03-14-2005, 01:44 PM

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I think you should just call the turn. You would have to call if BB 3-bets and you really don't have any hand that you have to protect against.

You also want to be bet into on the river if you make your flush.

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gopnik · #8 03-14-2005, 03:22 PM

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You also want to be bet into on the river if you make your flush.

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Calling the turn makes it easier to put Hero on the flush draw. So, just calling the turn and hitting the flush on the river kills the action. By raising the turn Hero can get more action on the river since nobody will put him on this flush.

gvibes · #9 03-14-2005, 03:53 PM

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Calling the turn makes it easier to put Hero on the flush draw. So, just calling the turn and hitting the flush on the river kills the action. By raising the turn Hero can get more action on the river since nobody will put him on this flush.

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a) I don't think players are quite this observant at .5/1
b) Nobody will put him on the flush because the turn raise with the flush is -EV
c) If hero had something like KJ here (no spades), he would love it if the river checked through, fearing a dominated hand

sean c · #10 03-14-2005, 04:04 PM

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Calling the turn makes it easier to put Hero on the flush draw. So, just calling the turn and hitting the flush on the river kills the action. By raising the turn Hero can get more action on the river since nobody will put him on this flush.

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a) I don't think players are quite this observant at .5/1
b) Nobody will put him on the flush because the turn raise with the flush is -EV
c) If hero had something like KJ here (no spades), he would love it if the river checked through, fearing a dominated hand

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Pumping the flush draw when there is already 12.25BB in the pot is not -EV even if its three bet. I'm not a big fan of pumping draws I would probably wait until the river here but this is a pretty large pot and hero 4.1:1 here.