Tight table that all of sudden becomes loose [AJs in MP1]

chson · #1 03-12-2005, 11:46 PM

The last few orbits were a blind steal fest. Would you have overcalled on the river as well?

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, 3 folds, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, Button calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises, Hero 3-bets, Button caps, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (10.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

River: (10.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, Button raises, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 16.75 BB

Nick C · #2 03-13-2005, 12:41 AM

My guess is that Button likes to be tricky when he flops big hands (or I guess maybe he has AT or something like A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]), and I'm also not really sure you're ahead of UTG+2 (he could have AK or AQ, for instance, but could also be scared of Button's flop call-cap).

But I'd probably pay off. I tend to do that when I have a decent hand and I can't figure out what's going on and it's only one more bet to me. And occasionally what I discover is that I'm in fact not paying off but have the best hand.

One thing that makes me even less confident than I would be otherwise is that Button could be compensating for the table's tightness by slowplaying something big. But there is another possibility: He could have capped the flop in an effort to slow down the action (which unfortunately strengthens the AT and A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] possibilities), and the river raise could be a desperate attempt to buy the pot or at least eliminate UTG+2.

Edit: I misread the action slightly. (I thought UTG+2 was the PFR.) The fact that UTG+2 didn't raise preflop strengthens the case for the river overcall, I think, though I still wouldn't really expect to win.

chson · #3 03-14-2005, 10:31 AM

This was just one of those "WTF?" hands. UTG2 had T8s and Button had A6s. MHING.

einbert · #4 03-14-2005, 10:34 AM

I don't really like the PF call, I don't think your position is quite good enough. I fold it.

If you feel like you can fold the turn to a raise you should bet it. Giving a free card here isn't awful though as it's looking like a way ahead/way behind situation with the drawless flop (but button's call two cold/cap really scares me).

I call the river raise.

chief444 · #5 03-14-2005, 10:41 AM

I think UTG+2 and Button both played this hand so unusually and probably incorrectly whatever they hold that I would have to call.