Misapplied the c/c play?

QTip · #1 03-11-2005, 10:03 PM

This afternoon was full of discussions about the c/c, c/c, bet HU play. I was pretty excited about learning about it, and even posted that I wondered how long it would be before I misapplied it...I don't think it took long. How many ways did I muck this hand up?

MP2 is SL-A

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. MP2 posts a blind of $2.
3 folds, MP2 (poster) checks, 4 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (2.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (2.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.

I think I should have raised here; however, that wouldn't be misapplying what I learned today and was excited to use...so I had to call.

River: (4.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Oh yeah...I was supposed to bet the river.

Final Pot: 6.25 BB

Harv72b · #2 03-11-2005, 10:25 PM

Raise preflop. A6o is well ahead of a random hand.

Bet/call the flop. You've got an A and an OESD. There's also a good chance that you have the best hand with A high.

Bet the turn. You now have TP+OESD, and you don't want to give a free card to a flush draw or lone 8 (that could get expensive).

I have no problem with a check/call on the river, especially if you'd bet out the other streets. If he missed his draw, give him a chance to fire a shot at you.

It only gets tricky if you bet/call the flop and he raises your turn bet. Whether I pay off depends largely on just how aggressive he is postflop (on the river in particular, if you have a large enough sample to get such a specific read).

QTip · #3 03-11-2005, 10:34 PM

Thought I butchered the crap out of this.

I have to tell you though, I nevered dreamed of raising out of that BB...I'm dying to hear if other people are doing that. If so, I've been missing out on raises.

Thanks for the comments.

Harv72b · #4 03-11-2005, 10:41 PM

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I have to tell you though, I nevered dreamed of raising out of that BB...I'm dying to hear if other people are doing that. If so, I've been missing out on raises.

Thanks for the comments.

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I'm only suggesting the PFR in this one instance, because the only other player in the pot was a poster. I might also raise if I had 1 very loose limper, but I like that play less--I like the PFR in this hand because you might just steal the pot preflop.

QTip · #5 03-11-2005, 10:44 PM

I gotcha Harv...good thought.

Thanks

JoshuaD · #6 03-11-2005, 10:46 PM

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Thought I butchered the crap out of this.

I have to tell you though, I nevered dreamed of raising out of that BB...I'm dying to hear if other people are doing that. If so, I've been missing out on raises.

Thanks for the comments.

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Yea, I'm raising this too. I'd raise this vs a SB limper also.

Harv72b · #7 03-11-2005, 10:46 PM

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I'd raise this vs a SB limper also.

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Good point.

Shillx · #8 03-11-2005, 10:56 PM

The check/call line is best used when you are up against someone has shown strength and may or may not have a better hand then you. MP2 has done nothing to indicate that he has a strong hand. You should fire away at the flop and keep betting until he tells you not to bet anymore.

Brad

QTip · #9 03-11-2005, 11:00 PM

Thanks for the clarification Brad. I'm the king of misapplication when I first start to learn something new.

Now, to be clear...

The c/c line that we talked about today when we're first to act ends with us leading the river, correct?

TheHip41 · #10 03-11-2005, 11:43 PM

I don't like your line. I think you got it backwards.

Heads up, with your draw, you should have bet the flop, turn, and river.

With c/c the flop, c/r the turn all day. Even if you get 3 bet, you have 8 outs to the best hand.