Maybe I'm not ready for $5/10?

ApolloQuiet · #1 03-10-2005, 05:25 PM

Just made the jump after beating $3/6 at 2 BB/100 over about 35K hands. I have a $4000 bankroll, so I made the jump a few days ago. Several hands had me very perplexed, wondering if maybe 5/10 is a totally different game vs 3/6, or are the players at 5/10 that much more bizarre?

Hand 1.
Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises, 4 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.40 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.20 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

River: (7.20 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.20 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has As 9d (one pair, aces).
Hero has Js Jh (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: BB wins 9.20 BB. 

Hand 2.
Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP2 calls, 4 folds, Hero raises, MP2 calls.

Flop: (4.40 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls.

Turn: (3.20 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero calls.

River: (7.20 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.20 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Qs Qd (two pair, queens and fives).
MP2 has 5s As (three of a kind, fives).
Outcome: MP2 wins 9.20 BB. 

Hand 3.
Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP1 3-bets, MP2 calls, 5 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.40 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (6.70 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

River: (9.70 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 12.70 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has 9h 9s (flush, ace high).
MP1 has 8c 8s (flush, ace high).
MP2 has Js Th (flush, ace high).
Outcome: MP2 wins 12.70 BB. 

Hand 4.
Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $5.
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO (poster) checks, Hero raises, 2 folds, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (11.40 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
UTG bets, MP1 raises, MP2 calls, CO folds, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (11.70 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG bets, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, Hero raises, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

River: (17.70 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 17.70 BB

Results in white below: 
UTG has 5c 5s (two pair, fives and fours).
MP2 has 7s 7d (two pair, sevens and fours).
Hero has Ah Ad (two pair, aces and fours).
Outcome: Hero wins 17.70 BB. 

I'll post some of my comments later, just wanted to get some opinions from some $5/10 veterans. Thanks.

$DEADSEXE$ · #2 03-10-2005, 05:29 PM

Getting sucked out by the Ace happens alot it seems. I dropped back down to 3/6 but whenever I was playing 5/10 on Empire etc someone always seemed to beat my JJ or QQ by just calling me down and hitting their A/4o on the turn or river.
In the long run you'll win more than you lose but it is a bit annoying

Sarge85 · #3 03-10-2005, 05:30 PM

Damn-

And people say the $5/$10 game is tough?

Sarge[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

djoyce003 · #4 03-10-2005, 05:30 PM

Bad beat post alert.

mr pink · #5 03-10-2005, 05:31 PM

both the 1st 2 hands look like they were trying to push you off overcards, i think you need to 3-bet in these spots more often as you'll see a lot of semibluffing and crazy plays in 5/10. they got pretty lucky in each hand, hitting a 5 outter on the river.

3rd hand, i'd probably check/call or check/fold the turn.

4th hand, i'd probably bet but i would hate a check/raise there.

sfer · #6 03-10-2005, 05:44 PM

You don't give reads. I don't think autopiloting 5/10 and up is a very good idea. From playing 3/6 for the first time since September last night, I think that the days of autopiloting/multidonking through 3/6 might be over as well.

The players are more aggressive. They will try to push you off hands. They will value bet better. And, from the hands you post, it appears that they are quite skilled at sucking out.

PokerBob · #7 03-10-2005, 05:51 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Just made the jump after beating $3/6 at 2 BB/100 over about 35K hands. I have a $4000 bankroll, so I made the jump a few days ago. Several hands had me very perplexed, wondering if maybe 5/10 is a totally different game vs 3/6, or are the players at 5/10 that much more bizarre?

Hand 1.
Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises, 4 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.40 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.20 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

River: (7.20 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.20 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has As 9d (one pair, aces).
Hero has Js Jh (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: BB wins 9.20 BB. 

Hand 2.
Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP2 calls, 4 folds, Hero raises, MP2 calls.

Flop: (4.40 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls.

Turn: (3.20 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero calls.

River: (7.20 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.20 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Qs Qd (two pair, queens and fives).
MP2 has 5s As (three of a kind, fives).
Outcome: MP2 wins 9.20 BB. 

Hand 3.
Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP1 3-bets, MP2 calls, 5 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.40 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (6.70 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

River: (9.70 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 12.70 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has 9h 9s (flush, ace high).
MP1 has 8c 8s (flush, ace high).
MP2 has Js Th (flush, ace high).
Outcome: MP2 wins 12.70 BB. 

Hand 4.
Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $5.
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO (poster) checks, Hero raises, 2 folds, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (11.40 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
UTG bets, MP1 raises, MP2 calls, CO folds, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (11.70 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG bets, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, Hero raises, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

River: (17.70 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 17.70 BB

Results in white below: 
UTG has 5c 5s (two pair, fives and fours).
MP2 has 7s 7d (two pair, sevens and fours).
Hero has Ah Ad (two pair, aces and fours).
Outcome: Hero wins 17.70 BB. 

I'll post some of my comments later, just wanted to get some opinions from some $5/10 veterans. Thanks.

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After reading this, I feel like I need to move up. I thought 5/10 was a retard-free zone. Apparently not. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

ApolloQuiet · #8 03-10-2005, 05:57 PM

Are you implying I'm retarded. I certainly hope not. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Anyways, the point of this post was not to brag about bad beats, as someone implied, but rather to show some plays that I had not experienced, or experienced very little of in $3/6, but have come across more often at $5/10. Mainly the trying to push me off of overcards, and betting out draws. Are these more common at $5/10, as the game itself is more aggressive?

ApolloQuiet · #9 03-10-2005, 06:01 PM

I'm not really concerned about getting sucked out on by and ace, but in this hand I just found the check raise on the turn to be surprising. After the hand she said that I deserved it, and that she was able to take control of the hand by making that move. I congratulated her on her check raise with 3 outs, and she continued to justify it. Oh well.