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Old 03-10-2005, 12:25 PM
parappa parappa is offline
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Default Standard-seeming Top-Pair Hand

Villain is loose (23/13/5-200 hands at a quite tight table), and he's quite aggressive on all streets.

I should fold here preflop, no? Also, should I bet the river?

1/2 Party

CO posts blind + dead (1.5 SB).

Hero is UTG+2 w/K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

2 Folds. Hero calls. 2 callers, including villain.
CO checks. Button and SB fold. BB checks.

(8 SB)Flop 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

BB Checks. Hero bets. Villain raises. 1 fold. CO calls. BB folds. Hero 3-bets. Villain calls. CO calls.

(8.5 BB) Turn 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Hero bets. Villain calls. CO folds.

(10.5 BB) River 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Hero checks. Villain bets. Hero calls.
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Old 03-10-2005, 12:29 PM
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Default Re: Standard-seeming Top-Pair Hand

I'd fold pre-flop and probably still bet that river.
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Old 03-10-2005, 12:39 PM
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Default Re: Standard-seeming Top-Pair Hand

You should fold PF, KJo isn't a good hand in EP. Bet this river 100% of the time,
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Old 03-10-2005, 12:47 PM
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Default Re: Standard-seeming Top-Pair Hand

KJo is a bad hand huh? Crap, i have a soft spot for face cards [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] i don't play 1/2 limits (.25/.5 right now), so hopefully i can get the thinking of playing this hand EP out of my head before it becomes a bad habit. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]
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Old 03-10-2005, 12:57 PM
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Default Re: Standard-seeming Top-Pair Hand

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I'd fold pre-flop and probably still bet that river.

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with the poster.. i might raise this in MP1 if the table was on the tight side.
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Old 03-10-2005, 01:01 PM
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Default Re: Standard-seeming Top-Pair Hand

KJo tends to make 2nd best hands often. It's alright in mid or late position in an unraised pot, but you hate to limp with it and get raised later. You'll usually be dominated.
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Old 03-10-2005, 01:28 PM
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Default Re: Standard-seeming Top-Pair Hand

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KJo tends to make 2nd best hands often. It's alright in mid or late position in an unraised pot, but you hate to limp with it and get raised later. You'll usually be dominated.

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What do I do with it at an average table in like MP2 when it's folded to me? Can I open-raise with it there, or should I fold it or (I can't believe I should) open-limp?
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Old 03-10-2005, 01:32 PM
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Default Re: Standard-seeming Top-Pair Hand

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KJo tends to make 2nd best hands often. It's alright in mid or late position in an unraised pot, but you hate to limp with it and get raised later. You'll usually be dominated.

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What do I do with it at an average table in like MP2 when it's folded to me? Can I open-raise with it there, or should I fold it or (I can't believe I should) open-limp?

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Depends, I'm more comfortable open-raising in MP3 but at a tight table open raising in MP2 is fine.
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Old 03-10-2005, 01:40 PM
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Default Re: Standard-seeming Top-Pair Hand

I think that it depends on two things - the table and your post flop play. If you're at a super-tight table and it's folded to you in MP, toss it. Likewise in loose games when lots of players see the flop you can safely throw it away. When you're at a table that's neither, it's playable but you just can't get too attached to one pair.
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Old 03-10-2005, 01:53 PM
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Bet the river. The preflop call is marginal, but not bad.
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