Help...Are These No Brainers?

[Dave H.]

All 3 of these hands at Paradise .5/$1 last night. What do I do? I think they're no brainers but want to make sure. Fairly tight table...loose players fold immediately so they are not in any of these hands. In every case, EP1 is a different individual.

This hand came up twice (only the suits changed):

I have K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in late position. EP1 bets, MP1 calls, I call, SB folds, BB checks
4.5 small bets

Flop brings K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Everyone checks to me and I bet. BB folds, EP1 calls, MP1 calls...7.5 small bets

Turn brings J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Everyone checks to me. I bet, EP1 calls, MP1 folds...5.75 big bets

River brings 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

EP1 checks, I bet, EP1 raises
What do I do here?

Other hand:

I'm in Late position again with Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
EP1 bets, MP1 calls, I call, SB calls, BB checks...5 small bets.

Flop: K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Everyone checks to me and I bet. All call...10 small bets

Turn: A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Everyone checks to me and I bet. EP1 calls and everyone else folds...7 big bets

River: 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
EP1 checks, I bet, EP1 raises
Again...WHAT TO DO?

Thanx all!

[davelin]

I'd call both

[joeski19]

A lot of people play any two suited chasing the flush as you know. I've also seen a lot of people raise like that trying to represent the flush. I'd call in both hands.

[Thigh]

What's up with the two cards on the turn for the second hand? Which one, I'm guessing the Ah.

[Wetdog]

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Turn: A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]


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A 2 card turn? I'd double bet. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Seriously, I'd call #1, raise #2 if the turn is the A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], call if it's the 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

[Thigh]

On the first hand, did you fold after the raise? The reason I ask is that if players see you folding to a raise on the river, they might be tempted to start taking shots at you. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

[VTDuffman]

You have to call. You don't have to like it, but you have to call both times. Often, I will check through when the 3rd flush card hits -- but that is *really* weak-tight of me.

[mmbt0ne]

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raise #2 if the turn is the A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], call if it's the 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

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This is completely backwards. 3-betting a check-raise when the flush hits is very bad. If the 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] falls, you have the nuts on the river.

[Wetdog]

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raise #2 if the turn is the A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], call if it's the 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

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This is completely backwards. 3-betting a check-raise when the flush hits is very bad. If the 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] falls, you have the nuts on the river.

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Man oh manischevitz, are you ever right about that. I guess I should never give advice before noon.

[Thigh]

I gotta ask, but what nut is the 7s giving you? What am I not seeing? Thanks.