It Looks Like it's too Late for Casino Classic and Casino Kingdom

Timer · #1 03-08-2005, 06:52 AM

I was downloading the software for both casinos when I read the following on their T&C page.

Casino Kingdom:

* Bonus Account Wagering Requirements:
* All games excluding those noted below: You must wager your bonus a minimum of 12 times on these types of games before a transfer from your Bonus Account to your Deposit Account will be allowed.
* Blackjack and Video Poker: You must wager your bonus a minimum of 42 times on most forms of Video Poker or Blackjack before a transfer from your Bonus Account to your Deposit Account will be allowed. (Please note that some forms of Poker and Blackjack will not contribute to the meeting of wagering requirements)
* Other: You may play the following games with a Bonus Account but any wagers on these games do not contribute to satisfying (meeting) wagering requirements: Baccarat, Craps, Roulette, Sicbo, 3 Card Poker, European Blackjack, Vegas Strip Blackjack.


Casino Classic:

Wagers on Baccarat, Craps, Roulette, Sic-Bo, 3 Card Poker, European Blackjack and Vegas Strip Blackjack do not contribute to meeting Deposit Account withdrawal, or Bonus Account to Deposit Account transfer, requirements.

Wagers placed on most forms of Blackjack, Multi-Hand Blackjack and Video Poker using Bonus Credits must total at least 42 times the amount of the Bonus before a withdrawal from a Deposit Account or a transfer to a Deposit Account from a Bonus Account is valid and will be processed by the Company. *please note that some forms of Poker and Blackjack will not contribute to meeting wagering requirements.

TheMetetron · #2 03-08-2005, 07:08 AM

Can you still do downtown BJ? 42x isn't a huge increase and should still make it profitable with autoplay.

Timer · #3 03-08-2005, 09:21 AM

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Can you still do downtown BJ? 42x isn't a huge increase and should still make it profitable with autoplay.

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I didn't see any restriction against it. How does it differ from Vegas Strip Blackjack? What is the difference in -EV?

VinnyTheFish · #4 03-08-2005, 09:36 AM

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Casino Kingdom:

* Bonus Account Wagering Requirements:
* All games excluding those noted below: You must wager your bonus a minimum of 12 times on these types of games before a transfer from your Bonus Account to your Deposit Account will be allowed.
* Blackjack and Video Poker: You must wager your bonus a minimum of 42 times on most forms of Video Poker or Blackjack before a transfer from your Bonus Account to your Deposit Account will be allowed. (Please note that some forms of Poker and Blackjack will not contribute to the meeting of wagering requirements)
* Other: You may play the following games with a Bonus Account but any wagers on these games do not contribute to satisfying (meeting) wagering requirements: Baccarat, Craps, Roulette, Sicbo, 3 Card Poker, European Blackjack, Vegas Strip Blackjack.


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I am moving onto Cook tonight. I opened a Kingdom account on Saturday March 5. The entire process took about 11 hours of playing time. I chose the $20,$20, $20 method. Here is a summary of the transactions.

1 - deposit of $50 from Nettel - I should have dome either $20 OR the 200% - my mistake but it was my 1st time with autoplay and I was concerned.
2 - they give me a bonus of $40 and $16 (1st deposit bonus).
3 - I play ($35 * 90) and have $343 in my bonus account at $3 hand (autoplay) (2 hours), the xfer it to my regular account.
4 - I think I meet the requirement, and cashout.
5 - all looks good.
6 - I get an email telling me my w/d is reveresed and I need to play 35 x's 343 (see below).
7 - I play $4 a hand, auto play for 250 hands. (up to 543)
8 - I play the rest at $5 a hand. finish at $448 in the account.
9 - I cashout.
10 - I wait for the transfer or email telling me I need more hands.
11 - play Cook the same way (already have $100 there, hope there is autoplay, I have not signed on yet!).
email they sent:
Greetings to ye Vincent,

It's great to hear from you. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Players are required to meet our Wagering Requirements on deposits they use to claim our promotions. Non-VIP players (this includes you) are also required to meet requirements on any amount they transfer from their Bonus Account to their Depositing Account.

The Wagering Requirements on your Depositing Account are as follows: $343 x 35 = $12,005 (presuming you play BlackJack or VideoPoker, 10x otherwise).

Be sure to let me know if you have any other questions or need any help with anything else [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Subby · #5 03-08-2005, 10:30 AM

The House Advantage for Atlantic City blackjack is not a ton more than Vegas Strip.

The 42x wagering requirements for bonus and then deposit+bonus isn't a ton more - on a £120 bonus you are only looking at 840*.9 = 756 more hands in your bonus account and then a minimum of 110*7*.9 = 693 additinal bets for your deposit+bonus (this is all assuming the 20/20/20 deposit method).

The biggest concern is staying above £50 in your bonus account, because that is the minimum you can transfer.

So, in summary - it's not too late. Casinos that allow autoplay blackjack and have cashable bonuses are still going to make a decent amount of money for most players.

toss · #6 03-08-2005, 11:08 AM

Oh well I missed out on Classic, but I pulled in a hefty profit from the other two. I'll think about doing classic after running some numbers. Or letting a math savvy guy run em for me. Anyone?

AncientPC · #7 03-08-2005, 11:26 AM

I started and finished Captain Cook's on Sunday, and I started and am finishing up Classic and Kingdom yesterday / today (yay for 3 computers). My WR is still 35x.

I'm not sure what the HA is for Vegas Downtown or Euro BJ, can someone point me to a link for this info? I'll just use a .40% HA as an example.

Captain Cooks: deposit $100 for $216 bonus.
Req. wagered amount = ($100 + $216) * 42WR = $13,272
$216 - 0.40% HA * $13,272 = $162.91

Casino Kingdom: deposit $60 for $136 bonus.
Req. wagered amount = ($60 + $136) * 42WR = $8,232
$136 - 0.40% HA * $8,232 = $103.07

Casino Classic: deposit $150 for $166 bonus.
Req. wagered amount = ($150 + $166) * 42WR = $13,272
$166 - 0.40% HA * $13,272 = $112.91

toss · #8 03-08-2005, 11:30 AM

Thanks Ancient. I think the HA for Alantic city is .44%

Still looks higly profitable.

partygirluk · #9 03-08-2005, 11:44 AM

Just to check - you have to wager 35* your bonus, and then transfer this to your deposit account, and then wager 35* (Deposit + TRANSFERRED BONUS). Right?

VinnyTheFish · #10 03-08-2005, 11:46 AM

I got 35 x's, I deposited and starting working on Saturday. I would email support.