1st hand post....JJ overpair vs. coordinated flop & tight opponent

nmadd · #1 03-07-2005, 01:48 PM

I'm a new player with about 10k hands at this limit under my belt. Is this hand even worth posting or was this easy?

I only had 22 hands on MP2 at the time (11%VPIP/7.4%PFR) I thought about my flop action for a couple of seconds because this is the only guy at the table who isn't in 50% of the pots.
BB is in 64% and loves to go to the river (He shows down something interesting.)

How did this newbie do? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Tear me apart, I want to learn.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP2 raises, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, BB calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, MP2 raises, MP3 folds, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (10.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP2 folds.

River: (12.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Final Pot: 14.75 BB

iluzion · #2 03-07-2005, 01:55 PM

im not 3-betting the flop, and that turn card is basically saying "if you wernt crushed on the flop, your crushed now". 3-bet preflop and a 3-bet flop i am putting atleast one of the two on QQ KK AA AK or maybe AQs/AJs. i think folding the flop might be the best move, but surely im check/folding that turn card.

Entity · #3 03-07-2005, 01:59 PM

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im not 3-betting the flop, and that turn card is basically saying "if you wernt crushed on the flop, your crushed now". 3-bet preflop and a 3-bet flop i am putting atleast one of the two on QQ KK AA AK or maybe AQs/AJs. i think folding the flop might be the best move, but surely im check/folding that turn card.

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With a gutshot and an overpair, folding the flop or the turn is TERRIBLE.

I like your turn bet, and I think you have a value bet on the river against BB once MP2 folds. I would check behind if MP2 called, though. I can't figure out WTF he had here -- it isn't KQ, it isn't JJ (if he plays well), so I think you may have pushed him off of QQ, though he should've capped with that preflop.

Rob

zuluking · #4 03-07-2005, 02:01 PM

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im not 3-betting the flop, and that turn card is basically saying "if you wernt crushed on the flop, your crushed now". 3-bet preflop and a 3-bet flop i am putting atleast one of the two on QQ KK AA AK or maybe AQs/AJs. i think folding the flop might be the best move, but surely im check/folding that turn card.

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Weak.

nmadd · #5 03-07-2005, 04:34 PM

Thanks for the replies.

Results below if you care to see:

nmadd shows [ Js, Jc ] a pair of jacks.
BB doesn't show [ 2d, 5d ] high card ace.
nmadd wins $14 from the main pot with a pair of jacks.

ktg2469 · #6 03-07-2005, 04:41 PM

Follow this person wherever he/she goes. You've made a new friend.

GrunchCan · #7 03-07-2005, 04:53 PM

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Entity · #8 03-07-2005, 04:56 PM

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Should still call the turn.

Rob

GrunchCan · #9 03-07-2005, 05:01 PM

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Should still call the turn.

Rob

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Yea, you're right. Nothing makes sense here. The only logical conclusion that I can see is either he saw a steal opportinity PF, or MP2 isn't as good as we've presumed.

waynethetrain · #10 03-07-2005, 05:18 PM

With MP+2 showing aggression on the flop after raising pre-flop, I'd have to think he has either a bigger pair or a high 4 spade draw. I don't think I would have re-raised the flop.

His turn check would have confused me. Maybe he had KK, QQ, or KQ [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]???? I'm not sure I would have bet. It's close.

In the end, I think it is more likely you were beat and drove the winning hand out with your aggression. I'm not sure if that was right or wrong. I guess it depends on the player and the probability of getting him to fold the winning hand. I like the value bet on the river.